David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, May 02, 2020, 19:30 (1664 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I've always stated God speciated. Why are you surprised? A designer designs!!!!

dhw: Yes of course he does. It’s just your use of the word “evolve” that is so misleading. Separate design is normally regarded as the opposite of evolution, so we need to clarify what you mean by it.

Simple: God runs evolution and designs each new stage from the past.

DAVID: It has always made sense to me. God chose to evolve humans starting with bacteria, and I have no idea why God did it that way. It was His choice. It makes no sense to you because you view God from a humanizing viewpoint.

dhw: That way makes sense to you, but you have no idea why he did it that way. So maybe he didn’t do it that way!

Unreasonable extension. If I reasonably see God's choice of method, I don't need to know His reasons. Follow on from God creates reality and it all makes sense

dhw: [I am juxtaposing parts of your post to make the arguments clearer.]

DAVID: You refuse to accept the idea God evolved life until He got to us as a final step.

dhw: That does not explain why he designed all those species and then destroyed them! With my theist hat on, of course I accept the idea that God evolved life and that we are the last step so far. […] Please stop glossing over the bits of your theory that I am challenging!

DAVID: I gloss over nothing. God created the history of evolution and allowed/caused all the exterminations. As for your problem, remember, the Earth has a finite size and needs to keep room for each new stage, now well over seven billion humans. Simple answer: make room!!

dhw: Why “allowed”? Two days ago, he was totally hands-on.

I specifically wrote 'allowed/caused'. You never think as I do. 'Allowed' can be seen as the Earth evolved and a disaster was coming, God could allow it to cause an extinction He wished, or He could have specifically created the extermination event, all hands-on!!!

DAVID: You can invent all sorts of possibilities, without knowing the real truth.

dhw: As all of us do, including you. None of us can know the “real truth”, and so we test the different possibilities. You can’t find the logic of yours, and you accept the logic of all mine, but reject them all because they are based on something which is probably/possibly true.

You constantly ignore my statements that your logic is only acceptable to me only at a human level of thought, which is all we have when trying to ascertain God's purposes. Please quote me properly always.

DAVID: My view of a greater power comes from my decision that there must be a mind that does all the biological designs. it is the same thought that keeps you agnostic, which I find totally illogical. We are not far apart!! As for imagination, the real problem starts with an approach to God, and that requires a proper set of guidelines as to how to think about Him and therefore how to think about what He creates.

dhw: Currently we are not discussing the existence of God but your theistic theory of evolution. If God exists, only he can know the “proper set of guidelines about how to think about him”. But if the guidelines you follow lead you to an explanation of evolution which makes no sense to you, perhaps you might reconsider your self-imposed guidelines as to how to think about him.

My theory of God running evolution makes perfect sense to me. Again the usual misquotation. Why should we continue to debate when you constantly twist/reinterpret what I state as my thoughts?