David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Friday, February 07, 2020, 23:04 (1749 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Since God is on charge, and evolution arrived at humans by the method He chose, and as an endpoint, they are/were His goal.

dhw: If they really and truly were his goal right from the beginning, it is hardly unreasonable to ask why he “chose” not to produce them, but to produce millions of less unique life forms instead. You have no idea. Here are two possible explanations: he was experimenting; humans came as a late afterthought. Please don’t moan about humanizing, since you have acknowledged that he and we “probably have similar thought patterns and emotions”.

DAVID: Your usual humanizing compliant. God knows what He wants to do. He is extremely purposeful as I view Him.

dhw: And as I view him too. Unfortunately, your version of what he wants to do and of his extreme purposefulness, and of how he sets about implementing his purpose (= what he wants to do) makes no sense even to you, whereas my versions are all perfectly logical, as you keep agreeing, and since he probably has “similar thought patterns and emotions” to ours, the “humanizing” element is irrelevant.

Distortion of my thoughts about God's thinking: Simply, in thought all I think is He is logical as we are, n o more than that, and He may share the same emotions we have. My reasoning does not go to the conclusions you reach about Him or about how I keep reporting what I think about Him. Quit implying reasoning that is not mine in what I write.

dhw: I have used free will as an example of his deliberately sacrificing control. […] If he willingly sacrificed control over animals like us, why does he become a lesser form of God by sacrificing control over the whole bush of life?

DAVID: He obviously wished to give us free will as a part of full consciousness. He knew what was involved. [...]

dhw: Do you deny that by giving us free will, he deliberately sacrificed control over us? If you agree, then why should a more extended sacrifice of control (i.e. over evolution itself) make him a lesser form of God? I am disputing your claim that the concept pays "lip service" to God. A God who creates autonomous, free-living organisms is just as much a God as one who only creates automatons!

He purposely created us as the final step, which your comment ignores, with free will and knew we would have moral and ethical principals developed by our consciousness given by Him. Recent research, I haven't produced here, shows infants exhibiting some of them! This doesn't make him a 'lesser' God. I agree with your last sensible sentence.