David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, April 16, 2020, 20:45 (1680 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: You look for and totally fail to find any logical reason why an all-powerful God, who can do what he wants in any way he wants, should specially design millions of now extinct life forms etc, so that they can eat one another until he specially designs the only things he wants to design: H. sapiens and food for H. sapiens. Nothing to do with my alternative explanations, which are a separate subject.

We go round and round with no agreement, as our visions of God are so different. I start on solid ground: God is in charge of creation. Therefore history tells us what He did. You question why did it happen that way when He could have done it differently. You are questioning my God and wonder why He was so patient. It is a problem you create because you have a humanized view of God.

dhw: I deny the need for him to specially design 3.X billion years’ worth of extinct non-human life forms eating extinct non-human life forms (past bush), if the only life forms he wanted were humans and enough life forms for them to eat (= current bush). And I go on to offer different explanations for the WHOLE bush, which you agree are all logical.

They are all logical if God thinks like a human, but my God doesn't.

dhw: I am also critical of your interpretation of God’s actions. My alternative theories are not criticisms of God.

No. They exhibit humanized interpretations of God.

dhw: You wrote that "He has a lot more interest in His purposes than being a spectator." Please tell us what other non-human interests you think your God has in the world he has created.

DAVID: I have no idea what you want. God is not human, and all His reason are unknown requiring logical guesswork, but not thinking that He is considering human interests for Himself.

dhw: It was you who said he had a lot more interest than that of a spectator. I asked what that interest might be, and you have no idea, so what was the point of your statement?

God created all of reality, and may still be evolving the universe for all we know.

dhw: I was filing posts yesterday, and by chance came upon the following, which is linked to the virus problem, but ends with a revealing comment from you:

dhw: Bacteria sometimes help and sometimes hinder. If your God designed the protection, it would not be unreasonable to assume that he also designed the danger. Fair enough – perhaps it’s all part of the wonderful spectacle your hidden God may be watching. Just a thought.

DAVID: I'm sure God is watching, at His own level of personal thought. ("Cellular controls of protein paths", 6th March @ 16.56)

dhw: Yep, you’re sure your hidden God is watching, but you ridicule the idea that he created life so that he could watch it.

Your usual human approach. Clear thought: God watches what He created, but since He is the creator it is not a spectator but as an interested inventor. Spectators watch interesting spectacles, as you have stated God does. How human God is in your description, as usual.

DAVID:you poison your own thinking by viewing God from the wrong viewpoint to start with. […]

dhw: If God exists, only he knows the right viewpoint.

DAVID: A real true statement about God, finally. all any of us can do is make logical guess from our individual viewpoints about who God is. Yours is a humanized God.

dhw: I offer several viewpoints, but if your God probably/possibly has thought patterns, emotions and attributes similar to ours, how can you claim that such a view is “the wrong viewpoint to start with”? You agree that only God would know the right viewpoint, so please stop pretending that yours is right and mine are wrong.

DAVID: I don't pretend, do I? Yours is a humanized God who likes spectacles!

dhw: That is one possible viewpoint. If only God knows the right viewpoint, what grounds do you have for telling me that mine is wrong and poisonous (bolded above)?

Because your god is primarily human in purpose. Try treating God as entirely non-human in His purposeful creative thoughts. You keep looking for His secondary ego satisfactions. Did it ever occur to you He doesn't need them?