David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, January 07, 2020, 11:14 (1780 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: I have offered you alternative guesses, which you agree are logical, but you stick to your own and dismiss my logical guesses on the grounds that they “humanize” God, although he “very well could think like us”.

DAVID: Again distortion. God's thoughts are purposeful and we can only guess at them based on the history He produces.

dhw: What have I distorted? I have agreed!

DAVID: The word illogical is a constant in your thinking about my theories. You constantly forget we start with different basic premises about God. Using His works a guide is not illogical.

Yet again, you refuse to tell me what I have distorted. Of course using his works as a guide is not illogical. But your explanation, according to your unforgettable confession, is not illogical "if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history"!

dhw: But you cannot understand his logic, so how can you say we use logic as He does?

DAVID: You are confused. I said we cannot know His reasons behind His purposes. Purposes are not logic. They are desires. He and we think logically!

Of course purposes and desires are not logical in themselves, and of course we can’t know his reasons (if he exists at all). But again you simply refuse to read what I wrote, so here it is again:
dhw: The logic here concerns how he fulfils his purpose! And it is not logical to have a single desire (to produce H. sapiens) and then to decide to postpone fulfilling your desire for 3.X billion years, thereby having to focus on producing anything but what you desire (H. sapiens).

This is where your logic flies out of the window.

DAVID: […] My God does not need to experiment. He knows how to achieve the ends He wants.

And so you have him deciding to spend 3.X billion years designing billions of non-human life forms, econiches, natural wonders etc., and you “have no idea why”.(Experimentation gives you a logical reason why, IF H.sapiens was his one and only purpose. There are several other theistic alternatives that explain the actual history of life.)

DAVID: Under your cockamamie thought pattern, our universe is the first of many that was correct enough among the experimental types he tried, which allowed Him to start life, using your comment in the other thread that we do not know when universes began: " How the heck do you know that the universe is not infinite in time? What came before the big bang,? " My God decided to evolve humans from bacteria without mamby-pamby side tracking.

I have no idea what your God might have got up to before the big bang, if the big bang ever happened, but that is irrelevant to our discussion, which concerns the illogicality of your personal theory of evolution, summed up perfectly by your last remark. It is you who insist on the side tracking, because although H. sapiens was his one and only purpose, he decided not to evolve humans from bacteria for 3.X billion years, and therefore had to design all those extinct econiches, life forms etc. to keep life going. To quote you yet again, in another unforgettable remark directed at me: “Haven’t you realized by now, I have no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time?”