David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, April 07, 2020, 18:24 (1689 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: like you, I have no idea why an all-powerful, all-purposeful God, with only one purpose in mind – to create us – should spend thousands of millions of years directly creating thousands of millions of now extant non-human life forms, econiches, lifestyles, strategies and natural wonders before directly creating lots of different hominins and homos before directly creating us, his sole purpose.

Unlike the bold I have a completely sensible idea presented many times, and the validity totally ignored by you: God foresaw the mass of humans now on Earth. He chose to evolve a huge bush of life for the necessary food supply we have today. Remember, I've discussed the food factories we have created, and their dangers. We, with our big brains, are the stewards over all of this. Obviously , with clear thinking and analysis, what God did makes perfect sense. I don't know why you are blind to it. Extremely well thought out and purposeful.

dhw: Meanwhile, I asked you to explain why my theory was not “extremely purposeful”. Once again, you refuse to answer a direct question. And here comes the final illogicality:

DAVID: Why do you ask that question [what is the “proper-sized bush?”] when you fully should know the answer from my previous comments? The current human population requires a bush of that size […]

dhw: You know perfectly well that I am not questioning the need for the CURRENT bush. I am asking why an all-powerful God who could create us any way he wanted had to create 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human bush before getting on to the only species plus econiche(s) that he wanted to create!

DAVID: Don't you realize how inconsistent you are? You recognize the need to create the bush….

dhw: No, I don’t recognize the need to create 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human bush if your God’s one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens!

DAVID: … and then complain about the delay to make humans! You obviously propose God should not have been patient in creating the process of evolution.

dhw: With my theist hat on, I have no problem with God creating the process of evolution! My problem, as you well know but desperately seek to avoid, is the illogical theory bolded above. It is this theory which creates an inexplicable delay!

Same totally inconsistent reasoning. Evolution, which you accept theistically is run by God, must take time, so there is no delay, just required elapsed time until humans appear.

dhw: I propose that a purposeful God would stick to his purpose, and therefore the direct creation of all those non-human twigs either had a purpose independent of humans, or (less likely, in my view) constituted experiments in the quest to create a being with thought patterns, emotions and attributes similar to his.

Don't you remember? The various tribes of sapiens from different environments interbreeding gave the final sapiens a plethora of attributes useful in many climates and sickness situations.

DAVID: What! You want is instant creation of the bush and us? Didn't happen.

dhw: According to your latest theory, he directly creates all species and natural wonders etc, etc. We’re not talking about “instant”, if you mean everything all at once. I’m all in favour of the theory that your God wanted to create a long-lasting, ever changing bush. I’m only objecting to the theory bolded above - the one you agree is not illogical so long as we don't apply it to the actual history.

Exactly, the opposite formation of my position: My logical opinion is above. Can you finally apply some real logic, instead of taking old quotes out of context?