David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 01:04 (1802 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Silly request. Evolution is a staged process with each stage built on the last.

dhw: But each stage has led to a vast variety of life forms extant and extinct, as opposed to each stage leading to H. sapiens. That is the basic problem with your whole theory: that your God had only one purpose, but the actual history of life does NOT consist only of stages from bacteria to H. sapiens.

DAVID: It simply consists of growing complexity from bacteria to humans. We did arrive as planned.

dhw: “Simply”? The growing complexity encompasses vast numbers of species extant and extinct, totally unrelated to humans. They do not fit in with the concept of an all-powerful, all-knowing God who sets out with the sole purpose of producing us.

The process of evolution is so complex it required a designer

DAVID: Of course He wanted the bush of life. The econiches as the balance of nature provides food for all who exist at a given time/stage in evolution. What is the evasion, which is your usual contortion of an obvious fact?
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dhw: Again you state an obvious fact about econiches which has nothing whatsoever to do with your theory that every econiche and every pre-human life form was an interim goal in order to pass the time until your God fulfilled his one and only purpose, the design of H. sapiens. This is the theory which is only logical if we “do not apply human reasoning to the actual history”, and that is what you keep evading.

DAVID: Your usual mantra that makes no sense to me to me. God in charge of history creates it for His reasons which we can only guess at.

dhw: And your guess is that he created billions of non-human life forms etc. in order to fill in time until he created the only life form he wanted to create. I really don’t know why it makes no sense to you that I keep reminding you that your theory makes no sense to you (because you can’t apply human reasoning to the actual history).

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I use the actual history which tells me directly what God created. Your usual distort in bold is that I don't try to guess at His reasons for his decisions. I just accept them and reason from the actual history of reality.

DAVID: Human reasoning tells me God chose to evolve humans over time. Human reasoning also tells me not to try to understand why He made that choice over direct creation.

dhw: Your human reasoning tells you that your God’s one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens, but you have no idea why he chose to delay your version of his purpose and therefore had to design all the preceding non-human life forms etc.. And so your human reasoning tells you not to challenge the purpose your human reasoning imposed on your God. This is very strange reasoning. I wish your human reasoning would encourage you to challenge your human reasoning to see if the lack of logic might possibly indicate that either it is wrong in its interpretation of your God’s purpose, or it is wrong in its interpretation of God’s nature – the control freak who is always in charge and knows everything beforehand.

DAVID: Your wild theorizing won't recognize a God in charge evolves as He wishes. You just don't like the concept of God running things as He wishes. Why won't you accept that God chose to evolve humans over the time it took? God in charge can choose His modes of action.

dhw: I have absolutely no objection to the idea that if God exists, he “evolves as He wishes” and “runs things as He wishes” and can choose his modes of action! Why won’t you accept that your interpretation of what he wishes (to design H. sapiens) does not fit in with your interpretation of his nature (control freak who knows and plans everything in advance) plus his modes of action (spends 3.X billion years designing anything but the one thing he wants to design)?

You usual agnostic problem. You can only think of a humanized God. I view Him as precisely purposeful. He has much more on his mind than your worries about Him and how he conducts his business.