David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, January 18, 2020, 19:13 (1769 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: I don’t know if your designer theory is true, but I accept its logic. In your more tolerant moments, you have done the same with all my alternatives, and have even
acknowledged the fact that your own theory is illogical by human standards. I don’t know why you can’t leave it at that.

DAVID: Because you keep inserting the bolded above, which totally wrong about my methods. You have the ability to reproduce the original comments in context. Let's review them.

dhw: You made the remarks, so why don’t you review them in context and tell us what else they can possibly mean?

i can't hunt for context as you have the abilities given by Neil and I don't.

dhw: Once again: my different guesses can all be applied logically to the actual history, and by your own admission, your guess can’t. No distortion. The fact that we cannot “know” the truth does not mean that his logic must be incomprehensible to us!

DAVID: That's the point. I do not try to analyze His reasons for His purposes, as sheer guesses. All we know is what He did.

Yes, all we know is what he did (if he exists), and all theories as to why he did it (i.e. his purpose or reason) are “sheer guesses”. The distinction between purpose and reason is silly. Purpose is the reason for doing something.

That is a weird interpretation of reason and purpose. One arrives at purposes by using reason. Example: My horse needs a shelter from the storm. Do I put him under a tree or build him a shed? There are obviously two parts to the mental process.

dhw: Do I really have to repeat your version of purpose and reason? Here goes, then: sole purpose, to design H. sapiens (you refuse to discuss any purpose or reason for this). Ability: to do it any way he wants. Method: to design 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human life forms, econiches, natural wonders, strategies etc. before starting to design umpteen different forms of pre-human and human. The REASON or PURPOSE for this: to fill in the time which inexplicably he decided to take before fulfilling his only purpose (H. sapiens).

Again your weird approach. Proper thinking is as follows: for some unknown reasons (which can only be guessed at) God wants to produce humans. Again (for some unknown reasons) He chooses to evolve them over time. Since all evolving organisms must have energy to survive, He creates a huge group of econiches to solve the feeding problem over the time involved, obviously not the stupid idea 'TO FILL TIME'. He clearly recognized the problems evolution presents and sets about to solved them as He goes forward. Since He is in charge, this description of His activities is obviously quite logical. Your humanizing approach describes Him as unreasonably doddering around. It is your humanized ideas about God that creates your problem, which you then try unreasonably to place on me, as you have no reasonable idea as to how to think about God without falling into traps. Adler is quite clear.

DAVID: He is fully in charge. [dhw: But maybe he chose to allow evolution free rein, just as you believe he allowed humans free will]. All of reality is His works. [dhw: Yes, if he exists, but that does not mean he acted in accordance with your personal interpretation of the intentions, abilities and methods relating to his works.] God is not human, but logical as we are. [dhw: Which means his logic should be comprehensible to us, whereas there is no logical explanation for your guess as to his combined intentions, abilities and methods.]

DAVID: As in my comments above, all you wish is our guesswork must be performed. We have already covered all of your guesswork, and I've agreed all logically possible, but still just a fog of possibilities. Agnosticism is at sea floating in possibilities.

dhw: I don’t “wish” anything. I am trying to understand the mysteries of life, and I see different possible explanations. For some reason, you seem to think that this makes your own illogical theory more believable than any of those which you accept as being logical!

All your guesses do not see God with Adlerian logic.