David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, April 09, 2020, 11:27 (1687 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: God foresaw the mass of humans now on Earth. He chose to evolve a huge bush of life for the necessary food supply we have today. […]

dhw: You know perfectly well that I am not referring to the CURRENT bush but to your belief that he directly created 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human life forms, econiches etc., 99% of which are extinct, although apparently his one and only aim was to create H.sapiens and whatever bush H. sapiens needed to feed on. One purpose, the ability to achieve that purpose any way he wanted, but all his attention devoted to life forms etc. that had nothing to do with his one purpose! You have admitted over and over again that you have no idea why he did this […]

DAVID:Totally illogical. As God started with bacteria and the evolved a massive bush, necessary now….

Hold on! The massive bush contained billions of life forms, lifestyles, econiches, natural wonders etc. that are absolutely NOT necessary now. 99% died out! This is the whole problem with your theory. Why would a God with only one purpose and the ability to do it directly in any way he chooses, choose to spend 3.X billion years directly doing anything but what he wants to do?

DAVID: ...your dismissing all those years, as unnecessary, for the time of creating it, makes no sense. I've ignored nothing! I've said, and you've ignored, God knew from the beginning the huge bush had to come first before we arrived to take over. All stated recently.

But you can’t think of a single reason why the huge bush of non-human life forms and econiches “had to” come first in order for your all-powerful God to directly design the only thing he wanted to design plus the necessary current econiches. What you are really saying is that God knew he had to do what David Turell thinks he had to do!

dhw: Of course evolution takes time, and of course there is no delay if your God did NOT have one particular purpose in mind, and yes, time certainly elapsed before humans "appeared" (strange word, since according to you, he directly designed them). But that does not explain why...ugh, ugh, not again!... if your God’s one and only purpose was to directly create H. sapiens and their food supply, he spent 3.X billion years NOT directly creating H. sapiens, but directly creating millions of life forms and their food supply, although they had nothing to do with H. sapiens.

DAVID: Inconsistent. Huge food supply has to come first. God knew what He was doing, all epatd to his purpose to produce us.

Huge food supply for what? Fine if you want to stick to Genesis, with God specially designing the food supply needed for humans before he specially designed H. sapiens, but you don’t believe that, do you? You believe as I do that there were billions of other life forms which had nothing to do with supplying food for humans because they existed and died out billions of years before your God designed H. sapiens. The inconsistency is entirely yours.

dhw: Please tell me what other context you could possibly have been referring to when you wrote: “Nothing illogical required if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history”.

DAVID: Again, an old quote out of current context. Stick to the present discussion and what I am stating currently. We will get nowhere with current thinking as you reach back.

It’s a shame that you should distance yourself from such a pertinent comment on your own theory. It applies just as much to your current insistence that 3.X billion years’ worth of extinct food supply for extinct life forms was necessary in order for your God to directly create all the new life forms that would provide food for the only life form he actually wanted to directly create, which is us.

DAVID: ...accept the history as fact and interpret whatever one can from it, if one can. We cannot know God's underlying reasons for His obvious purpose, creating humans. It is always guess work, entertaining discussion , but nothing ever solid.

We are not discussing the reasons for his creating humans, whether they were his purpose or not! We are discussing his possible reasons for spending 3.X billion years directly creating anything but humans and their necessary food supply. Since you cannot find any, the “obvious” inference is that either H. sapiens was NOT his one and only purpose (though he might well have had the idea late on, as evolution progressed) or he needed to keep experimenting in order to hit on the right formula for creating a being with thought patterns, emotions and attributes similar to his own.