David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 10:42 (116 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: When God chose to evolve humans He knew He had to provide the bush of life so all could eat to survive during the time it took. I know you don't doubt the necessity for econiches/nature in balance.

dhw: No, I don’t doubt it. For the hundredth time: What I doubt is the argument that a totally in charge God, whose one and only purpose was to produce H. sapiens would DECIDE (your word) to DELAY (your word) fulfilling that purpose for 3.X billion years, and therefore HAD TO (your words) specially design millions of non-human life forms in vast numbers of non-human econiches in order to COVER (your word) the time he had DECIDED (your word) to take before starting to fulfil his one and only purpose. As you so rightly pointed out: “the process of producing physical forms should proceed into a specific direction if humans are to be evolved”, but it proceeded in lots and lots of different directions, and you have NO IDEA (your words) why your God produced all those millions of non-human physical forms before producing the only one he wanted. That is why, in your own words, your theory is only logical “if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history”.

DAVID: It's easy for me. I have no problem with your illogical agnostic thinking, as I accept God in charge and that He knew exactly what He was doing.

I have no trouble accepting the same concept of God. Our difference is in our interpretation of what he wanted to do. You have simply ignored all the contradictions in your theory, as listed above using your own words, plus your acknowledgement that your theory cannot logically be applied to the actual history.

DAVID: Remember there really is no delay as evolution from bacteria to humans takes the time it took, one advance at a time.

dhw: Two days ago you wrote: “I don’t need to know why God delayed, because that is exactly what he did as his decision.” So he decided to delay, but I must remember that there is no delay.

DAVID: It is your delay, not mine. It was required time.

Once again you ignore your contradiction of yourself. Please look at what you wrote: it was his decision to delay. That is your statement, not mine!

dhw: It is what you call a “hopeful theory” that your God chose to control the direction of evolution, and millions of the physical forms and econiches with their top predators had nothing to do with humans, which you claim were his only purpose.

DAVID: Again a denial of the necessity for econiches to feed all for the time it took.

Econiches are necessary for all species. The dispute is over your claim that 3.X billion years’ worth of econiches and non-human species were necessary to fill the time your always-in-charge God had inexplicably decided to take before starting to fulfil his one and only purpose. You wrote that the "process of producing physical forms should proceed into a specific direction if humans are to be evolved”. It didn't! It went all over the place! So maybe (theistic proposals) humans were not his one and only purpose, or maybe he was experimenting, or maybe humans came late on in his thinking.

DAVID: Your usual denial of the logic that comes from a belief in God and his power. We will never have an agreement on this point. My logic versus your illogical thoughts about God.

Your usual denial of your own acknowledgement that your theory cannot logically be applied to the actual history. Nothing to do with God and his power, but everything to do with your interpretation of how he used his power, and for what purpose. Once again you gloss over all the contradictions with vague generalizations. Furthermore, you have agreed many times that all the alternative explanations I have offered fit logically into the actual history. The fact that you prefer to believe your own explanation does not suddenly make my different versions illogical.


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