David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, February 07, 2020, 13:40 (1749 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Since God is on charge, and evolution arrived at humans by the method He chose, and as an endpoint, they are/were His goal.

dhw: If they really and truly were his goal right from the beginning, it is hardly unreasonable to ask why he “chose” not to produce them, but to produce millions of less unique life forms instead. You have no idea. Here are two possible explanations: he was experimenting; humans came as a late afterthought. Please don’t moan about humanizing, since you have acknowledged that he and we “probably have similar thought patterns and emotions”.

DAVID: Your usual humanizing compliant. God knows what He wants to do. He is extremely purposeful as I view Him.

And as I view him too. Unfortunately, your version of what he wants to do and of his extreme purposefulness, and of how he sets about implementing his purpose (= what he wants to do) makes no sense even to you, whereas my versions are all perfectly logical, as you keep agreeing, and since he probably has “similar thought patterns and emotions” to ours, the “humanizing” element is irrelevant.

dhw: I have used free will as an example of his deliberately sacrificing control. […] If he willingly sacrificed control over animals like us, why does he become a lesser form of God by sacrificing control over the whole bush of life?

DAVID: He obviously wished to give us free will as a part of full consciousness. He knew what was involved. [...]

Do you deny that by giving us free will, he deliberately sacrificed control over us? If you agree, then why should a more extended sacrifice of control (i.e. over evolution itself) make him a lesser form of God? I am disputing your claim that the concept pays "lip service" to God. A God who creates autonomous, free-living organisms is just as much a God as one who only creates automatons!