David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 15:13 (28 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 15:21

DAVID: I've never abandoned reason. The only guess I've made about God's intentions is humans were a prime goal. You accept our specialness, which can't be denied, and then attempt to reduce its importance. We are not just naked apes. We are extremely special and our consciousness cannot be explained by any theory of materialistic evolution.

dhw: Nobody can explain consciousness at any level. Again you say “a” prime purpose, but you have never yet offered us any other prime purpose. Your theory that your God decided to delay fulfilling his one and only purpose for 3.X billion years, and all other life forms etc. were “interim goals to establish the necessary food supply to cover the time he knew he had decided to take” is the one which requires the abandonment of human reason: “Nothing illogical required if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history”.

DAVID: For me the word prime means just that. I'm with Adler. We were the prime goal. The universe, the Earth and all the bush of life had to be accomplished to allow us as the final result. I firmly believe we are the end point, and major evolution is over.

dhw: The bold – which means every life form etc. had to be specially designed in order to cover the time he had decided to take before designing us, his only goal - is precisely the incongruity you refuse to recognize or, when you do recognize it, you say we must abandon human logic for it to make sense. The two quotes that I have bolded above could hardly make it clearer.

DAVID: Again, your incongruity, not mine. God prepared the earth for humans with the bush of life. All makes sense, except to you, as you do not accept humans as the end point.

dhw: “End point” is ambiguous. It is not the same as the one and only purpose. You keep acknowledging that you have no idea why your God chose to spend 3.X billion years specially designing a bush of non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders “to cover the time he knew he had decided to take”, but apparently this is not illogical “if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history”. I’m sorry, but if we cannot apply human reasoning to the history, then for humans like me and you, it does not make sense.

God has reasons behind the history He created. THAT is logical, and that is something you cannot debate. Guesses as to the reasons are nothing but pure guesses. My point is why bother.


DAVID (UNDER “TOAD MIMICS VIPER HEAD”): this must require several specialized mutations. I think the toad was helped.

dhw: So either your God did a dabble or 3.8 billion years ago he preprogrammed the toad’s camouflage, because although his one and only purpose was to specially design H. sapiens, it wouldn’t have been possible without a toad’s head that imitates a viper’s head (plus the rest of the bush of non-human life over 3.X billion years of history).

All econiches are important in the balance of nature as provided by God, as He controlled the process of evolution. See new balance of nature entry today.


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