David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, November 12, 2019, 08:49 (1836 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: […] since we know that minor adaptations occur as responses to new conditions, it is not unreasonable to suppose that major adaptations will follow the same process (as opposed to your God changing legs into flippers before the pre-whale enters the water).

DAVID: The difference is obvious. Species have adaptations and stay the same species. New species imply much larger changes in form and function, requiring design.

You have also called the larger changes adaptations, which implies your agreement that it is sometimes difficult to distinguish between adaptation and innovation (see Talbott post). And I don’t know how often you want me to agree that they require design (design by cellular intelligence is design). Where we disagree is over your theory that your God designed every one in order to keep life going etc. as below in bold:

DAVID: History supplies the facts, which can be logically analyzed. You and I differ, since I say that the history is the result of God's actions.

dhw: If God exists, I have no doubt that the history (= the higgledy-piggledy bush of life forms) is the result of his actions.

DAVID: You agree that can be true if God is in charge and then you deny it….

dhw: I deny that the higgledy-piggledy bush is the result of his sole purpose being to design H. sapiens, his inexplicable decision (you have "no idea" why he made it) to wait 3.X billion years before fulfilling his sole purpose, and the resultant necessity to design every preceding non-human life form etc, to cover the time he had decided to take – a theory which by your own admission is only logical if “we do not apply human reasoning to the facts of history” - your very own words.

DAVID: Usual distortion. The bush provides food supply for the time it took. God produced the history.

No distortion. I have reproduced your own theory and have quoted your own words. Why do you now reject your own statements?

dhw: Yes, yes, all life forms require food, and history says it took 3.X billion years for humans to appear, and you know perfectly well that this is not the issue, which yet again I have summarized above in bold (see "I deny…”). You agree that your God “very well could think like us”, and that your theory is illogical by human standards, and of course history (the higgledy-piggledy bush of life) is not illogical – it is your interpretation of it that is illogical by your own (human) admission.

DAVID: Distortion as usual. My theory is logical using a logical human brain.

So why did you say it was not illogical “if we do not apply human reasoning to the actual history”?

DAVID: I don't humanly analyze God's reasons for His actions. I simply accept the actions.

It is you who have claimed that he specially designed every single innovation, lifestyle etc. That is not “accepting”, it is theorizing. You have also categorically stated that the reason why he specially designed them all was to cover the time he had decided to take over what you claim to be his sole reason for creating life. Theory, not acceptance.

DAVID: You constantly wonder why He did what He did. That simply leads to your confusion about God.

I constantly dispute your version of what he did and why he did it – a theory which leads to such confusion that you can only admit it is not illogical provided you do not apply human reasoning to the actual history. Why don’t you just agree with your own comment and leave it at that?