David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Saturday, November 02, 2019, 12:12 (15 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw:You have agreed that these particular scenarios provide a “humanly” logical explanation for the history of the bush of life if there is a God who created it, and that your God could well think in this manner. But you prefer your own explanation, which defies human logic.

DAVID: It doesn't defy human logic. […]

dhw: You force me to quote you. Referring to your theory: “Nothing illogical required if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history.”

DAVID: Not a refutation at all. All I've said is that I don't question His works, and don't study it logically, because that is not required if all one does is study the history of His works.

If he exists, the history of his works is the great bush of life extinct and extant, with humans the latest and most complex branch. You have studied the history and concluded points 1, 2 and 3. This theory, according to you, is not illogical so long as “one does not apply human reasoning" to it.

dhw: Please tell me which of these points is a distortion:
1) You believe that your God specially designed every single new life form, lifestyle and natural wonder in the history of life.
2) His one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens.
3) He decided to delay fulfilling that purpose for 3.X billion years and therefore had to design the whole preceding bush of life in order to cover the time he had decided to take.
4) You have no idea why he decided to delay fulfilling his purpose for 3.X billion years.

DAVID: Usual distortions. It is obvious He chose to evolve us.

dhw: Your comment does not tell us which of these points is a distortion. Reminder: according to you, all the preceding life forms, econiches etc. were “interim goals to establish the necessary food supply to cover the time he knew he had decided to take” (i.e. before “evolving” H. sapiens, his sole purpose).

DAVID: One, two and three are my beliefs.

Thank you. No distortion there, then.

DAVID: Number four is your distorted description of his decision to evolve us, which is simply God chose to evolve us over the time it took, with no worry on His part over your so-called delay. You silly distortion implies He should have created us directly, if He could, something we can not know if He can or wanted to do.

You have repeatedly told us that your God is in total control, the bolded quote says that he decided to take (not had to take) 3.X billion years, and you say “I have no idea why God decided to evolve humans over time”. According to you, it was this incomprehensibe decision which meant he “had to” design the whole preceding bush of non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders (“establish the necessary food supply”) to “cover the time”. No distortion.

DAVID: My proof of 'one' is the complexity of the designs, which you recognize but cannot explain except by your pipe-dreams of cellular intelligence.

We are discussing the illogicality of your combination of beliefs, not my alternatives. So far, you have confirmed each of the points above.

DAVID: "Two" is Adler's book of logical reasons.

You have repeatedly told us that Adler does not cover your theory at all, except for the argument that human complexity provides evidence for God’s existence.

DAVID: I've answered 'three' above regarding the issue of direct creation.

I have answered your answer above.


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