David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Monday, March 09, 2020, 20:57 (1718 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Monday, March 09, 2020, 21:02

DAVID: Once you endow God with human attributes, the game is over. God is not a human, and you've agreed with that point. We can only guess at His reasons for his actions. His role is as creator, and in His creating He has his own reasons for what appears. Certain things I can spot with good reason: the definite need for echoniches to be carefully created.

dhw: There is no dispute over the fact that econiches have to be balanced in certain ways if certain life forms are to survive. Nothing whatsoever to do with the illogicalities of your theory. (See below) God is not a human, but you have agreed that he probably has thought patterns and emotions similar to ours, which means you have no reason to dismiss theories which endow him with thought patterns and emotions similar to ours. If he exists, we can take it for granted that he has his own reasons for what appears.

After all that verbiage above, you admit a key point in bold. The usual distortion precedes it: "you have agreed that he probably has thought patterns and emotions similar to ours". The only thought pattern I have mentioned is the use of logic, nothing more which you consistently try to imply. I'm sure we share emotions, but since He is God He may not use them as we do. You accept God is not human and then try to make Him seem like us. You have never corrected your problems in thinking about God.

dhw: Now please explain why it is a dishonest distortion to propose logical alternatives to your theory which entail human attributes, when you yourself agree that your God probably has human attributes.

DAVID: Explained above.

dhw: You have not explained why it is a dishonest distortion to offer logical alternative theories to your own, incorporating your own statements,as above.

You present my statements from your point of view only, not mine. explained above

DAVID: Your worry about God waiting to reach our creation ignores the facts. The universe is 13.78 byo, the Earth 4.5 byo. Why aren't you bothered by those stretches of time? Your objections are totally inconsistent. Object to the entire delay. If God was thinking about us 13.78 byo He was planning to wait. That is my take.

dhw: If God exists, I would regard him as a scientist and an inventor, not a magician.

Why is magician issue raised. He doesn't need magic. He is the Creator.

dhw: Whatever his purpose may have been, he would have had to prepare our planet for life. I’m not going to argue with any of the facts you have listed. Our disagreement is not over the creation of the planet and its preparation to support life, but over your illogical theory of evolution! Must I repeat it? I suppose I must. Your God’s sole purpose is to design H. sapiens. He can do that any way he wants. But history shows us that for 3.X billion years he specially designs millions of non-human life forms, econiches, natural wonders etc. before even starting to design the bits and bobs which eventually will or won’t form part of the only thing he wants to design: H. sapiens.

Same problem of arguing with God taking so much time, when that is what the facts tell us. Your objection may make sense to you, but I have given you all the time that passed. God is
not human and my facts of timing tell us God moves at His slow desired pace. Your objection still describes a God who shouldn't be so patient in reaching goals. Impatience is your human attribute imposed on Him. Also, your prime problem is you do not feel humans are that important to God. For you, we are probably just an afterthought. Adler strongly disagrees and I join him.

dhw: When questioned about the logic of this, you admit you have “no idea” why he did it that way, but we mustn’t look for reasons because we can’t “know” them.

We can and do look but recognize it is all guesses, angels on heads of pins

dhw: And for good measure, any logical explanation of the “delay” must be dismissed because although God probably has thought patterns similar to ours, he doesn’t have thought patterns similar to ours.

You are struggling. To help you clarify your mind, the only thing I have said about God thinking is use of logic just as we do, nothing more. Stop inventing.