David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Wednesday, November 13, 2019, 11:45 (28 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: I deny that the higgledy-piggledy bush is the result of his sole purpose being to design H. sapiens, his inexplicable decision (you have "no idea" why he made it) to wait 3.X billion years before fulfilling his sole purpose, and the resultant necessity to design every preceding non-human life form etc, to cover the time he had decided to take – a theory which by your own admission is only logical if “we do not apply human reasoning to the facts of history” - your very own words.

DAVID: Usual distortion. The bush provides food supply for the time it took. God produced the history.

dhw: No distortion. I have reproduced your own theory and have quoted your own words. Why do you now reject your own statements?

DAVID: You are simply distorting the meanings of my statements taken out of context.

Then please explain which of the above bolded statements is a distortion, and tell us what you really meant.

DAVID: My theory is logical using a logical human brain.

dhw: So why did you say it was not illogical “if we do not apply human reasoning to the actual history”?

DAVID: I have applied my own reasoning while not questioning God's, as you constantly attempt to do, with no way to know if your objections to God's methods are true.

I do not question God’s reasoning because even if he exists, none of us can possibly know it. I question YOUR reasoning and your interpretation of his methods, and it is you who admit that your theory is not illogical so long as we do not apply human reasoning to the actual history.

DAVID: I logically see the necessity for design, but it is you who cannot find a designer.

As you know perfectly well, I accept the logic of design and a designer, but…as follows:
dhw: I constantly dispute your version of what he did and why he did it – a theory which leads to such confusion that you can only admit it is not illogical provided you do not apply human reasoning to the actual history.

DAVID: Nothing illogical if you accept history as what He did. The 'why' is what we debate.

If your God exists, what he did (the history) was produce the higgledy-piggledy bush. What is illogical is your version of “how” (designing billions of non-human innovations, lifestyles, natural wonders etc.), combined with your version of “why” (in order to cover the time which, despite being in total charge, he had inexplicably – you have “no idea” why – decided to take before beginning to design the only thing he wanted to design, H. sapiens). You are absolutely right to say that such a theory defies human logic. So once more, do please agree with yourself and let’s move on.


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