David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, October 02, 2019, 00:25 (19 days ago) @ dhw

David has chosen not to deal with the salient points of his theory which make it illogical, and he calls my summary a “garbled version”. Here in bold are the salient points again, and perhaps David would care to point out which of them are “garbled”.

dhw: You say your God is in total control, and H. sapiens was his one and only goal; God decided to take 3.X billion years before starting to fulfil his goal, therefore he had to specially design all the other life forms in order to cover the time involved. You have “no idea why God chose evolve humans over time”. You deny that this is your theory, and so I have quoted your own words: “He knew those designs were required interim goals to establish the necessary food supply to cover the time he knew he had decided to take.” You agree that this is your theory (“Of course.”)

“Humanizing” is your argument against alternative explanations, but you have admitted that “He very well could think like us, but it is only a guess, as your suppositions about His thoughts are.” Your final defence of your theory is that it is logical provided we do not attempt to apply human logic to it: “Nothing illogical required if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history.” And “You try to make God logical to fit your human thinking. It doesn't work.” No it doesn’t, and I suggest that if the theory is against human logic, and God “very well could think like us”, then maybe a logical theory has more chance of being right than your own illogical theory.

DAVID: Rather than go through your garbled version of what I think and how I think, by spotting your distortions above and locally answering each one, I am answering in total here my series of logical points that lead to my conclusions:

dhw: This is your established method of avoiding the illogical sections of your theory, as above.

DAVID: First of all is the overwhelming evidence that God prefers to evolve, as in the history of the universe from the Big Bang to now, the evolving surface of the Earth and the start of life and its interlocking influence of the properties of the Earth. I view God as in charge starting his creation 13.78 byo and arriving at current humans with their big brained consciousness about 300,000 years ago.

dhw: If we accept the existence of God, this is perfectly logical and has nothing to do with the illogical parts of your theory bolded above.

DAVID: The stresses from environment were not severe enough to require humans to appear, as our closest relatives, the apes prove. That removes any Darwin theory from consideration as environmental Stresses driving evolution.

We have no idea what “stresses” or opportunities may or may not have driven our ancestors from the trees. But attacking Darwin does not make the bolded theory any more logical.

DAVID: God, as designer, does the work. As Adler points out, consciousness is the obvious proof God exists, my shorthand for his 300+/- page book. It is obvious God took His own sweet time. He has no need to be swift, as you constantly wish with your illogical human thinking.

dhw: The argument for design/complexity/consciousness being proof of a designer is not the issue. Nor is the fact that evolution has taken time. Yes, it’s gone on for approx. 3.8 billion years. The issues which you are dodging are bolded above.

DAVID: I simply look at history to tell me what God decided to do. He has His own reasons for evolving rather than direct creation as in Genesis. And Genesis word 'day' is a misinterpretation of the Hebrew word 'Yom', which really is any interval in time. You view Him from an impatient human view, of why not be quick? History says He wasn't.

dhw: But history does not say that he set out with the aim and method bolded above. My alternatives offer logical explanations for the evolutionary bush, as you admit. No “impatience” involved.

DAVID: Your problem is you cannot accept God as the Designer/creator. It is your problem, not mine, since you do not wish to follow my line of reasoning and arrive at what you call another mystery to answer the questions. I view the need for a designer as undeniable and irrefutable. God must exist to explain the designed complexity of living organisms. Not by chance. And design is what keeps you agnostic, as you admit. So how do you explain the obvious design? Your position doesn't, as you present a garbled humanized view of God in your attempt to approach Him. Your problem, not mine, noting that I started out as agnostic, but with an open mind in studying the design evidence.

dhw: None of this even remotely justifies your own fixed belief in the theory of evolution bolded above.

This might as well be the end of this debate. I believe in God and the reasoning and positioning I have presented. We will always fully disagree on these points as our concepts of God totally differ. I find you just as illogical as you find me.


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