David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Friday, November 22, 2019, 22:50 (1826 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: As usual, you have left out all the bits of your theory that make it illogical. The missing bits are that your God is always in control, and for 3.X billion years he specially designed billions of non-human life forms as “interim goals to establish the necessary food supply to cover the time he knew he had decided to take” before starting to “evolve humans over time” – although they were his one and only goal and you “have no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time”. These are the “positive thoughts” you impose on your God, exactly as I have reproduced them in my parentheses, and you admit that all these beliefs in combination are not illogical “if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history”, which can only mean that they ARE illogical if one tries to apply human reasoning to the actual history.

DAVID: Because you chop it up into bits and pieces it becomes illogical to you.

It is the combination of the bits and pieces which you agree is illogical when you try to apply it to the actual history.

DAVID: God chose the WHOLE process of evolution to do His work.

If he exists, of course he chose the WHOLE process, which suggests that the 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human life forms, lifestyles, natural wonders etc. were not all specially designed as an interim goal to cover the time he had inexplicably chosen to wait before starting to specially design the only thing he wanted to design. I have offered you several alternative theistic explanations for the WHOLE process, and you have agreed they are all logical.

DAVID: I don't ever try to apply human reason to what I see as God's works. He did what He did. You do not recognize this approach to my faith. Quote what I have written all you want. The above is my thought process.

dhw: If he exists, of course he did what he did. And you apply human reason to the fact that humans are intellectually superior to other animals and therefore you believe we were his one and only purpose. Not illogical. The problem arises when you try to apply this reasoning to what your God actually did. And then you have no idea why he did it that way, but you have faith in your own fixed beliefs, and attempt to blame me for pointing out the illogicality of what you yourself consider to be illogical by all human standards of logic.

There again is your weird twist of my thoughts. I view nothing I think about God as illogical. God did what He did. I don't question His choice of using an evolution method. Our only real dispute, as I view it, is that you do not accept Adler's view and mine that humans were a final goal.