David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, October 04, 2019, 10:04 (1875 days ago) @ David Turell

I am combining this thread with “feedback loops”, since they now overlap.

dhw: […] Your interpretation of God’s “choices”, as the quotes make perfectly clear, is that he is in total control, had only one aim, decided not to fulfil it for 3.X billion years, and therefore had to specially design every non-human life form, lifestyle and natural wonder in order to cover the time he had decided to take. THAT, as shown by your own words, is the theory that I dispute!

DAVID: Since you accept God is in control and evolved all of life's bush, I don't understand how you can dispute my theory which is taken directly from recorded history.

There is no recorded history telling us even that God exists, let alone that he maintains total control, had only one aim etc. etc. as bolded above! The only recorded history of life is that there has been a bush of different organisms extant and extinct!

DAVID: Why not simply accept what God has done as Creator, as the religious do? But then you are not a religious person, and you have distorted reasoning when you think you are acting in a theistic role.

dhw: If God exists, I accept that he has created the universe and life, but I do not accept your guess concerning his one and only goal and his method of achieving it. You have agreed many times that my alternatives are logical, i.e. the reasoning is not distorted.

DAVID: The problem is that they are just humanizing guesses.

Your own guess is that your God’s “choice” is incomprehensible to human logic. However, you have agreed that your God “very well could think like us”, so at least my various alternative guesses have the merit of making sense to both of us.

dhw: […] you believe every decision made not only by brainless bacteria but also by some organisms (I presume you exclude humans and other large organisms) with brains was preprogrammed 3.8 billion years ago, to be passed on by the very first cells. These decisions apply to all the natural wonders you have listed, […] even though your God’s one and only intention was to specially design H. sapiens. You agree that this seems illogical (you have “no idea” why he chose this method),

DAVID: Your constant distortion: My 'no idea' simply means I don't guess at His reasons for his choices, not that I think it is illogical. I'm sure God is perfectly logical.

But you guess at his choices! And then you tell us: “Nothing illogical required if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history” and “You try to make God logical to fit your human thinking. It doesn’t work.” No, human logic doesn’t work if you apply human reasoning to your guess at his choices! You wrote: “Haven’t you realized by now, I have no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time?” Sounds to me as though your human logic has failed to come up with any explanation of the choice you have imposed on your God.

dhw: Since you are not prepared to use human reasoning, the discussion could well end there, but it is bound to be reopened whenever you try to justify your preprogramming theory.

DAVID: I don't try to apply human logic to it, that is the point, which for some unknown reason you refuse to recognize.

How do you know that human logic cannot be applied to your guess at your God’s choice if you haven’t tried to apply it?