David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, April 02, 2020, 12:44 (1694 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: It is patently absurd to argue that all those life forms, lifestyles, natural wonders, econiches had to be specially designed because they were “a recognized requirement” for your all-powerful God to be able to produce H. sapiens. Recognized by whom?

DAVID: All of us, I would presume. Evolution is a process of simple to complex and required the time it took, and if all lived, where would everyone have space to exist.

dhw: All of us recognize that every single life form, econiche etc.in the history of life was required for the special design of H. sapiens? What opinion poll gave you that result? Yes, evolution has progressed from simple to complex, and it has taken the time it has taken, and if the billions of life forms etc. had lived, there wouldn’t have been enough space. How does that explain why your all-powerful God specially designed them all, even though there was only one species and one lot of econiches he wanted to design?

DAVID: You continue your weird bolded idea. God as creator did what he had to do through evolution. You idea still implies He should not have been patient, but impatient. How human!

Did what he had to do? Who forced him? I have told you again and again that patience has nothing to do with it. I agree with you that your all-powerful God would do what he wanted to do, but if he only wanted one thing, he would therefore do that one thing. He didn’t, and so the logical conclusion is that either he did not want just that one thing, or he did, but had to experiment in order to get it.

dhw: Why do you think that creating interesting things is purposeless and wishy-washy? Humanoid? Why do you think a God whose thought patterns and emotions and attributes are probably similar to ours (your words, not mine) cannot possibly have thought patterns, emotions and attributes similar to ours?

DAVID: Of course His thoughts may be similar to ours. But we can only guess at His reasoning for how he created things.

dhw: Yes, we can only guess, and so it is absurd to dismiss a guess which involves thought similar to ours on the grounds that it involves thought similar to ours.
And you still haven’t told us how you know God’s logic is like ours.

DAVID: I assume so.

In that case, you assume that God has thought patterns similar to ours - logic entails thought patterns, as I'm sure you know. So thank you for removing your "humanizing" objection to all my alternatives to your own theory, for which you cannot find any logical explanation.

dhw: Your interpretation of evolution is not consistent (an all-powerful God with one purpose, who spends 3.x billion years fulfilling anything but his one purpose). And you have yet to explain why your God created billions and billions of stars and solar systems extant and extinct if all he wanted was Planet Earth and H. sapiens.

DAVID: Ask Him. He won't answer. I don't know, but I'm sure you can give us an interesting humanized guess.

dhw: You tell us your theory is consistent, but you have no idea why he created billions and billions of stars and solar systems extant and extinct though he only wanted one, and you have no idea why he created millions and millions of life forms etc. although he only wanted one. Strange sort of consistency!

DAVID: I just told you why one aspect of the universe was used to support what we need. Science will tell us more if we both live long enough.

Berlinski quoted Wittgenstein's famous assertion: "even when all possible scientific questions have been answered, the problems of life remain completely untouched.'" If your God exists, how can science possibly tell us his thoughts?

DAVID: I've told you my version of why the bush was necessary, but as usual you don't want to accept my reasoning. I cannot help you further if you defy logical thought.

You told us that your all-powerful God, who can do whatever he wants, when and how he wants, had to create billions of life forms, econiches etc. because they were “required” to keep life going in order to cover the time he had inexplicably decided to take until he designed the only thing he wanted to design, which was H. sapiens. And you have no idea why he chose this method of achieving his purpose. Please don’t kid yourself that this is logical reasoning, especially when you repeatedly tell us that we cannot know God’s reasons for doing what he does! On the other hand, you have accepted the logic of my various alternatives. QUOTE: "I cannot help you further if you defy logical thought" (David Turell)