David's theory of evolution Part One (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, November 12, 2019, 15:53 (1836 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID:It doesn't get around the problem that cells are observed from the outside. You are simply quoting impressions, not proof.

dhw: Nobody can observe other organisms from the inside. We draw conclusions from their behaviour, and you have agreed that there is a 50/50 chance that “my” scientists are right.

Thanks for agreeing it is all impressions, not a real proof basis for theory.

QUOTE from Nature’s Wonders: “It's a very charismatic, conspicuous behavior,” McCreery adds. […] Scientists use similar traps to capture wild specimens.

DAVID: certainly a learned behavior which is now an instinct.

dhw: Learned from what? Your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old trap-building programme, or your God popping in to give the ants a few lessons so that they could keep life going until he fulfilled his one and only purpose of designing H. sapiens? Do you not consider it possible that just as scientists use their intelligence to build similar traps, the ants might have done the same, and then passed the technique on to subsequent generations? Ditto with cell communities and their strategies for survival.

Cell committees are not ants who have brains and could have noted molted feathers on the forest floor trapped insects in dips in the ground. Not the same as autonomous ants all doing the same thing as in bridges.

dhw (re “Introducing the brain”): The above quote says nothing about a 3.8-billion-year-old programme. It says the cells were encoding information and chatting about it. Maybe their ability to encode information and chat about it and take decisions about individual courses of action is the result of an autonomous mechanism for thought. “Where did it come from, which agency?” Maybe your God? Who knows?

DAVID: The 3.8 byo program is your hangup. My comment above is that the brain is programmed for plasticity and to know what the body is doing at all times.

dhw: Yes, it’s a hang-up. If your God did not plant his programmes in the first cells for every strategy, innovation, lifestyle, econiche, natural wonder etc, then your only alternative is that he kept popping in to dabble. The brain is indeed plastic, and it communicates with the body. Even you believe that the plastic human brain makes its own decisions autonomously, so why can’t you accept the possibility that the mouse brain and the ant brain and the bacterium’s equivalent of a brain might also make their own decisions autonomously?

See above. I think they do.