David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, April 08, 2020, 22:06 (1688 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Unlike the bold I have a completely sensible idea presented many times, and the validity totally ignored by you: God foresaw the mass of humans now on Earth. He chose to evolve a huge bush of life for the necessary food supply we have today. Remember, I've discussed the food factories we have created, and their dangers. We, with our big brains, are the stewards over all of this. Obviously , with clear thinking and analysis, what God did makes perfect sense. I don't know why you are blind to it. Extremely well thought out and purposeful.

dhw: You know perfectly well that I am not referring to the CURRENT bush but to your belief that he directly created 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human life forms, econiches etc., 99% of which are extinct, although apparently his one and only aim was to create H.sapiens and whatever bush H. sapiens needed to feed on. One purpose, the ability to achieve that purpose any way he wanted, but all his attention devoted to life forms etc. that had nothing to do with his one purpose! You have admitted over and over again that you have no idea why he did this, but your solution to the problem now is simply to ignore it.

Totally illogical. As God started with bacteria and the evolved a massive bush, necessary now, your dismissing all those years, as unnecessary, for the time of creating it, makes no sense. I've ignored nothing! I've said, and you've ignored, God knew from the beginning the huge bush had to come first before we arrived to take over. All stated recentlky.

dhw: Of course evolution takes time, and of course there is no delay if your God did NOT have one particular purpose in mind, and yes, time certainly elapsed before humans "appeared" (strange word, since according to you, he directly designed them). But that does not explain why...ugh, ugh, not again!... if your God’s one and only purpose was to directly create H. sapiens and their food supply, he spent 3.X billion years NOT directly creating H. sapiens, but directly creating millions of life forms and their food supply, although they had nothing to do with H. sapiens.

Inconsistent. Huge food supply has to come first. God knew what He was doing, all epatd to his purpose to produce us.

DAVID: What! You want is instant creation of the bush and us? Didn't happen.

dhw: According to your latest theory, he directly creates all species and natural wonders etc, etc. We’re not talking about “instant”, if you mean everything all at once. I’m all in favour of the theory that your God wanted to create a long-lasting, ever changing bush. I’m only objecting to the theory bolded above - the one you agree is not illogical so long as we don't apply it to the actual history.

DAVID: Exactly, the opposite formation of my position: My logical opinion is above. Can you finally apply some real logic, instead of taking old quotes out of context?

dhw: Your logical opinion above has nothing whatsoever to do with the problem of why an all-powerful God would directly create 3.X billion….See above, twice over, and a thousand times before that! Please tell me what other context you could possibly have been referring to when you wrote: “Nothing illogical required if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history”.

Again, an old quote out of current context. Stick to the present discussion and what I am stating currently. We will get nowhere with current thinking as you reach back. Current thinking explains the present bush to you. My quote meant at the time (as I interpret it now), accept the history as fact and interpret whatever one can from it, if one can. We cannot know God's underlying reasons for His obvious purpose, creating humans. It is always guess work, entertaining discussion , but nothing ever solid.