David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, April 11, 2020, 15:16 (1685 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: But I have said why, and you continue to ignore it or talk around it. The current size of the human population requires the size of the bush for food supply, as God obviously anticipated from the beginning of life.

dhw: How can the current size of the human population require the 3.X thousand million years’ worth of long extinct but apparently specially designed life forms, econiches, lifestyles and natural wonders that preceded the arrival of humans??????

A total denial of fact: from initial bacteria to today' massive bush of biological complexity took the time involved. We require the present result to eat.

DAVID: Still all your manufactured problem. Why wasn't God humanly impatient as you obviously think He should be?

dhw: I am not asking why your God wasn’t “humanly impatient”. I’m pointing out that the current human need for a big bush does not explain why your God had to specially design 3.X billion years’ worth of bush – 99% extinct – before humans even began to arrive!

This is the same denial of the time evolution took.

DAVID: Again repeating a distorted version of my thoughts about God's thinking. All I have agreed to is that God thinks logically as we do, nothing more. "Emotions and attributes similar" is a possibility, but not any proof of how God thinks as He decides on purposeful activity.

dhw: Nothing can be proved, but since you believe human thought patterns (including logic), emotions and attributes are possible (originally probable), you can’t discount a theory which allows for them. You grumbled that my theories were meant to “deny God’s planning. Anything but God” – but all my alternatives were theistic, and you have accepted that they are all logical, in contrast to your own, as explained above.

You never seem to realize your imagined self theism is always theism lite.

From your second post:

DAVID: We have a huge bush of life. Why does it exist? I have provided an answer which I think is correct.

Your answer was that the huge bush of life exists because humans need it. That is no answer to the question why your God specially designed 3.X billion years’ worth of bush before humans even appeared on the scene.

QUOTE: "'There is so much we don't know about the deep sea, and there are countless species never before seen," said Wendy Schmidt, co-founder of Schmidt Ocean Institute. "Our planet is deeply interconnected — what happens in the deep sea impacts life on land—and vice versa. This research is vital to advance our understanding of that connection—and the importance of protecting these fragile ecosystems.

DAVID: Huge and everywhere we look. Even deep below the sea floor. Can anyone think of a reason different than mine?

dhw: I would not question the article’s statement that our planet is deeply interconnected. It always has been, long before humans arrived. And when connections break, we get new connections and new econiches. That does not mean your God specially designed 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human econiches for the sake of humans who were not even there!

Again your theism lite: the bold tells us God didn't anticipate the humans he would eventually create!

dhw: A reason different from yours? If God exists, he set up a mechanism whereby cell communities could work out their own means of survival in a vast variety of environments. For billions of years, and with no connection to humans, the huge bush of life continued to change as environmental conditions changed. Econiches and species came and went as species adapted / innovated or failed to adapt. We still have a free-for-all, but humans have incomparably more means of changing the environment and of adapting to it, and of creating and destroying econiches. There is no evidence that God – if he exists – is intervening, which suggests that either he has lost interest or is and always has watched with interest all the changing spectacles his invention has provided. Just an alternative to your guess.

Thanks for your guess, a precise view of the real history, but not the bold. God is not revealed, remember? Reasoned faith tells me what He did and may still be silently doing. He is not just a spectator in your theism lite view.