David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 13:21 (1710 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: (Taken from “half a brain”): I don't doubt my thinking because I do not guess at what I cannot know.

dhw: You do so all the time, from the existence of God to all the assumptions that underlie your illogical theory of evolution.

DAVID: I don't guess about God. I've concluded He exists.

How would you respond to an atheist who says he doesn’t guess about God because he’s concluded God doesn’t exist? Neither of you can prove anything, and neither of you can claim to “know” which conclusion is right. So you are both guessing. Ah well, at least your response tacitly acknowledges that your illogical theory of evolution is a guess. Progress!

dhw: You keep trotting out the “humanization” objection. Once and for all, you have invalidated this yourself by agreeing that your God probably has thought patterns, emotions and attributes similar to ours, so it is illogical to dismiss alternatives because they include something that is probable!

DAVID: The moment you bring human reasoning to God's reasoning you have humanized Him. God's reasons are not your reasons.

We don’t and can’t know God’s reasons (if he exists), which means your one and only attempt to explain his reasons (he had to design the whole bush in order to cover the time he had inexplicably decided to spend not designing the only thing he wanted to design) is no more valid than any of the multiple alternatives I offer. You continue to ignore my “once and for all” (now bolded) above, so I shan’t repeat it.

DAVID: My God knows exactly what He wants and how to achieve it.

In all my different theories, God knows exactly what he wants, and you have accepted that all of them logically fit the history. Only yours offers the absurd self-justification that “nothing illogical [is] required if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history”.

DAVID: Logic is as logic does. My background does not allow your logic about biochemistry, and all the ID'ers agree with me.

dhw: I must confess, I didn’t know that all ID’ers were so vehemently opposed to Shapiro and the rest. I was under the impression that some of them liked him, but he didn’t like them.

DAVID: The ID folks love Shapiro and his work. They just insist, as I do, there is a designer behind all of it.

So let’s be clear. All the ID-ers do not agree with your logic about biochemistry in relation to Shapiro’s theory of the intelligent cell, but only in relation to design. Two totally different subjects.