David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, January 17, 2020, 12:30 (1770 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: If he can choose any way he wants and is in total control, how can you say you don’t interpret his abilities?

DAVID: I didn't. I've simply said God is in total control, which does not imply the full spectrum of his possible abilities is known to me. He may not have some. Good try, but very off base.

dhw: I am not saying you know the full spectrum. You claim to know that he is in full control of evolution and is able to choose any way he wants in order to design H. sapiens. That is an interpretation of his abilities in relation to evolution, not a statement that you know absolutely everything he can do. Good try.

DAVID: Not the point. God is in charge of everything, not just evolution. Thus history shows us all his works, not the reasons He uses.

We know history shows us his works, if he exists! The point was your refusal to acknowledge that you interpret his abilities. Being in charge of everything (which I take to mean he has total control) and being able to choose any way he wants in order to create what he wants = an interpretation of his abilities.

dhw: The theory is illogical, and the “humanizing” argument carries no weight, because we have no idea whether your God has human attributes or not.

DAVID: You have produced a direct contradiction. We don't know if God has any human attributes so why apply any as I said:

There is no contradiction. Since we do not know if God exists, or what his purposes were, or whether he has human characteristics or not, we can only produce theories. Either you dismiss every single theory because we don’t know the facts (which you do with every theory except your own), or we subject each theory to analysis by the only “reasoning” we have at our disposal, which is human. I don’t know if your designer theory is true, but I accept its logic. In your more tolerant moments, you have done the same with all my alternatives, and have even acknowledged the fact that your own theory is illogical by human standards. I don’t know why you can’t leave it at that.

dhw: Yes, all the theories are guesses. You cannot explain the logic behind your theory of evolution because you know it is not logical by human standards of reasoning. It is no defence to say that any other explanation “humanizes” God since (a) we cannot know whether God has human-type thoughts, and (b) we have no reason to suppose that God’s logic must be incomprehensible to us humans. It’s only your theory that resists human reasoning when applied to the actual history. So maybe your theory is wrong, regardless of your objections to alternative theories.

DAVID: The bolds are total distortions of my points of view. God's reasons for His choices cannot be known to us. Therefore guesses.

Once again: my different guesses can all be applied logically to the actual history, and by your own admission, your guess can’t. No distortion. The fact that we cannot “know” the truth does not mean that his logic must be incomprehensible to us!

DAVID: He is fully in charge. [dhw: But maybe he chose to allow evolution free rein, just as you believe he allowed humans free will]. All of reality is His works. [dhw: Yes, if he exists, but that does not mean he acted in accordance with your personal interpretation of the intentions, abilities and methods relating to his works.] God is not human, but logical as we are. [dhw: Which means his logic should be comprehensible to us, whereas there is no logical explanation for your guess as to his combined intentions, abilities and methods.]