David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, April 02, 2020, 20:19 (1694 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You continue your weird bolded idea. God as creator did what he had to do through evolution. You idea still implies He should not have been patient, but impatient. How human!

dhw: Did what he had to do? Who forced him? I have told you again and again that patience has nothing to do with it. I agree with you that your all-powerful God would do what he wanted to do, but if he only wanted one thing, he would therefore do that one thing. He didn’t, and so the logical conclusion is that either he did not want just that one thing, or he did, but had to experiment in order to get it.

You refuse to accept my repeated point that the bush of life as a food supply was absolutely required and needed to be created before we appeared and took over. Purely logical.

dhw: And you still haven’t told us how you know God’s logic is like ours.

DAVID: I assume so.

dhw: In that case, you assume that God has thought patterns similar to ours - logic entails thought patterns, as I'm sure you know.

Another debating trick. I'm discussing only His use of logic, not indicating I know His reasons for His decisions, except for the above noted, necessary bush of life

DAVID: I just told you why one aspect of the universe was used to support what we need. Science will tell us more if we both live long enough.

dhw: Berlinski quoted Wittgenstein's famous assertion: "even when all possible scientific questions have been answered, the problems of life remain completely untouched.'" If your God exists, how can science possibly tell us his thoughts?

It won't, but the complexity it finds will be proof of His existence, and give us a better understanding of His methods, and better guesses st his reasons.

DAVID: I've told you my version of why the bush was necessary, but as usual you don't want to accept my reasoning. I cannot help you further if you defy logical thought.

dhw: You told us that your all-powerful God, who can do whatever he wants, when and how he wants, had to create billions of life forms, econiches etc. because they were “required” to keep life going in order to cover the time he had inexplicably decided to take until he designed the only thing he wanted to design, which was H. sapiens. And you have no idea why he chose this method of achieving his purpose. Please don’t kid yourself that this is logical reasoning, especially when you repeatedly tell us that we cannot know God’s reasons for doing what he does! On the other hand, you have accepted the logic of my various alternatives. QUOTE: "I cannot help you further if you defy logical thought" (David Turell)

I given you totally logical reasons for the bush first. Why do you totally refuse to accept my totally logical reasons for building a nutritious bush first? This is one area where guessing at God's reasons are obvious.