David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:48 (202 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: You can add all the humanized thinking you wish but you don't create my God.

dhw: That is because you have certain fixed ideas, and are prepared to jettison logic rather that consider any alternatives. And you still haven’t explained why plural “thought patterns” cannot include the thought patterns I have proposed in those alternatives.

DAVID: I certainly have fixed ideas about God based on my studies. You have no fixed ideas. we differ. I will not unfix.

A quote from yesterday’s Times: “Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it.” André Gide.

DAVID: I stick with facts, and you invent possible goals and purposes for Him, as if He were human. And later: Your God is not my God in any way. He has definite goals and purposes in mind and creates them at His own sense of timing.

dhw: The only fact in your theory is that there is a bush of life and humans are the last twig so far. The rest is what you call guesswork. My possible alternative goals and methods arise out of our shared belief that if God exists, he would indeed have definite purposes and would fulfil them in his own good time, probably has thought patterns and emotions and attributes similar to ours, and would think logically. However, since the latter is the only thing you are sure of, and you have agreed over and over again that my alternatives are all logical, whereas you cannot find any logical explanation for the combination of unsure beliefs that make up your own theory, I am delighted to welcome you to a new era of open-mindedness concerning the possible purposes and procedures that have governed evolution. It’s been a long wait.

DAVID: Neat olive branch. You've slid over the fact that your God is very human. Mine is not.

dhw: You’ve slid over the fact that I offer various alternative versions of God and his motives and actions. You also slide over the fact that your highly individual theory of evolution makes no sense even to you, which is why you say you needn’t or even shouldn’t try to understand your God’s logic.

DAVID: […] The bolded portion above is your constant distortion of how I think about the entire subject. My conclusions are entirely logical to me. You have trouble in seeing my logic exactly because your version of God is so different from m ine.

QUOTES from your own posts: “Nothing illogical required if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history.”
You try to make God logical to fit your human thinking. It doesn’t work.
Haven’t you realized by now, I have no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time?”
“I do not try to analyze His reasons for His purposes, as sheer guesses”

Yes, I have trouble seeing your logic, because it consists solely in telling me that as humans beings we can’t possibly find a logical explanation for what you believe to be your God’s purpose and method.

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