David's theory of evolution Part Two (Evolution)

by dhw, Monday, January 13, 2020, 08:05 (1774 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Your humanized thinking about God firmly excludes that God can create us any way He wants! […]

dhw: Your belief that he could create us any way he wanted is part of the reason why your interpretation of the way he created us is so illogical!

DAVID: But you can't accept his choice of method is obvious!

I can’t accept your interpretation of his choice of method: if his one and only goal was to create us, and if he could have created us any way he wanted, it makes no sense to tell us that for some unknown reason he decided NOT to create us for 3.X billion years and therefore had to fill in time by creating the preceding bush!

dhw: […] your subjective interpretations of your God’s purpose, nature and method simply do not fit together.

DAVID: They fit together for me, not you, because of your human view of who God might be. […] Why can't you conceive of God choosing the method history shows us?

You have “no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time”, so how can your interpretations fit together? The method to do what? The only fact we have is the bush of life leading to humans as the latest top predator. Why can’t you conceive of the possibility, for example, that your God wanted to create a bush of life, as opposed to the bush of life filling in the time until he created us? Or wanted to create us but did not know how to do it? Or had new ideas as evolution progressed? And why can’t you conceive of your God having thoughts and feelings in common with us?

DAVID: Many of us are quite logical about God.

dhw: But that does not mean your personal theory of evolution is logical, as you have acknowledged in your admirably frank statement that your theory is not illogical “if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history.” I quite understand why you are so desperate to ignore or disown unequivocal statements like this and God “very well could think like us”, but they represent lucid thinking on your part, and support my objections to your theory as clearly as anything I can ever write.

DAVID: All taken out of the context at the time.

dhw: Please explain what you really meant by the above quotes if you did not mean that your theory could not logically be applied to the actual history, and if you did not mean that God might well think like us.

DAVID: I've done that.

No you haven’t, but if you think you have, please humour me and do it again.

DAVID: God thinks logically as we do. I am logical about the real history as evidence of God's works. I don't try to reason about His thinking in making His choice of goals and methodology. Your human reasoning about Him makes him very human. Adler points out He is a personality like no other person.

A personality like no “other person” would still leave room for human attributes. (I agree, though – I too don’t know of any “other person” who is eternal and capable of creating universes.) Now please tell us the alternative meanings of the quotes which so clearly illustrate the fact that you cannot find any logical justification for your theory of evolution or for your insistence that your God cannot have any human attributes.