David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, October 03, 2019, 13:00 (1876 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: David has chosen not to deal with the salient points of his theory which make it illogical, and he calls my summary a “garbled version”. Here in bold are the salient points again, and perhaps David would care to point out which of them are “garbled”.

dhw: You say your God is in total control, and H. sapiens was his one and only goal; God decided to take 3.X billion years before starting to fulfil his goal, therefore he had to specially design all the other life forms in order to cover the time involved. You have “no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time”. You deny that this is your theory, and so I have quoted your own words: “He knew those designs were required interim goals to establish the necessary food supply to cover the time he knew he had decided to take.” You agree that this is your theory (“Of course.”)

DAVID: dhw wishes to continue this discussion; fine. Lets review my position. I view God as Creator and boss of the universe. dhw has not denied this when he assumes a position as a theist. The result of my conclusion is that history will obviously tell us what God decided to do. This cannot be denied. I fully accept the Adler point that the advent of humans with unexplained consciousness proves God must exist. Consciousness cannot be explained through natural development by chance natural evolution. I don't question God's choice since history presents it.

And with my theist hat on, I don’t question any of this either, but none of it covers your illogical theory of what constitutes “God’s choice”, as bolded above.

DAVID: dhw's paragraph above is a total distortion of this reasoning, as he tries to misinterpret my direct quotes. My approach through a study of history does not require me to know why God made these choices. I can't know, but I do know we evolved, well beyond any surviving animal species.

I also believe we evolved and have survived. Your interpretation of God’s “choices”, as the quotes make perfectly clear, is that he is in total control, had only one aim, decided not to fulfil it for 3.X billion years, and therefore had to specially design every non-human life form, lifestyle and natural wonder in order to cover the time he had decided to take. THAT, as shown by your own words, is the theory that I dispute!

dhw: “Humanizing” is your argument against alternative explanations, but you have admitted that “He very well could think like us, but it is only a guess, as your suppositions about His thoughts are.” Your final defence of your theory is that it is logical provided we do not attempt to apply human logic to it: “Nothing illogical required if one does not apply human reasoning to the actual history.” And “You try to make God logical to fit your human thinking. It doesn't work.” No it doesn’t, and I suggest that if the theory is against human logic, and God “very well could think like us”, then maybe a logical theory has more chance of being right than your own illogical theory.

DAVID: Yes we can humanly reason about God, but I have chosen to do it as in my first paragraph answer and no further, as all dhw has done is humanly guess as to God's possible motives. Just guesses, all logical at our human level, but worthless since they are just guesses.

Your theory, as bolded in your own words above, is just a guess, but is illogical at our human level, which is why you tell us that it is only logical if we do not apply human reasoning to the history!

DAVID: Why not simply accept what God has done as Creator, as the religious do? But then you are not a religious person, and you have distorted reasoning when you think you are acting in a theistic role.

If God exists, I accept that he has created the universe and life, but I do not accept your guess concerning his one and only goal and his method of achieving it. (See also “Feedback loops”.) You have agreed many times that my alternatives are logical, i.e. the reasoning is not distorted.