Natures wonders: ants and other insects farm (Introduction)

by dhw, Thursday, May 28, 2020, 11:52 (1638 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: You can ask. I've answered many times. He had to evolve this universe as He evolved everything subsequent, to produce this exact galaxy, which grew by eating many small galaxies so this one could be large enough to tuck our special Earth far enough out to be safe.

dhw: So how does that explain the billions of long gone galaxies and solar systems which he “evolved” (= specially designed in your vocabulary) for the sole purpose of producing ours for the sole purpose of producing Earth for the sole purpose of producing H. sapiens?

DAVID: The evolution of the universe took time. No galaxies are 'gone'. Our Milk Way is big because we ate others to get this big as above. You don't understand making the Earth 'safe', but I've explained it many tines.

Astronomers reckon there are between 100 and 200 thousand million galaxies, but they don’t really know because they have no idea what exists beyond the range of their observation. I just can’t understand why your all-powerful God would create 100-200 billion galaxies just for the sake of producing H. sapiens. The same problem as with all those different extinct life forms etc. over 3.X thousand million years, when he only wanted one.

DAVID (referring to experimentation and/or new ideas): The bold is a humanized god plodding along, not sure of where he is headed. NOT MY GOD!!! I don't know God's reasons for this method and, guess what, I don't care! As for His reasoning capacity He is logical like we are, but I know nothing more of His thinking.

dhw: It is not the reason for using the method of evolution that is in dispute! The dispute, yet again, is over the COMBINATION of your three rigid beliefs concerning God’s nature (all-powerful, all-controlling), purpose (only to create H. sapiens, which he could have done any way he liked) and method of achieving that purpose (directly designing millions of extinct non-human life forms, lifestyles, natural wonders etc. before directly designing the only thing he wanted to design). If, as you suppose, he is logical like we are, the illogicality of this combination of beliefs can only mean that one or other or all of them are wrong.

DAVID: It is you who are totally illogical. God has the right to chose any method of production He wishes. He chose evolution from bacteria to us. He is not impatient as you imply He should be.

Yet again: yes, he chose evolution from bacteria to every life form extant and extinct, including the latecomer H. sapiens. But according to you, your God is all powerful, had only one purpose (H. sapiens), could have achieved it any way he wanted, but chose to evolve (= specially design) millions of non-human life forms, lifestyles, natural wonders etc. as his method of evolving (= specially designing) H. sapiens, who was the only life form he wanted to design (apart from those that would enable H. sapiens to eat). And not surprisingly you have no idea why he chose this method of producing the only thing he wanted to produce, and so we shouldn’t ask why. I don’t understand why you continue to ignore the point of our disagreement. Yesterday I bolded it four times.