Natures wonders: bees cooperate just as ants do (Introduction)

by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Thursday, September 20, 2018, 22:19 (2254 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Just like ant colonies, complete individual cooperation. It hasn't been studied but based on the ant studies I have presented, the indivivual bees act automatically to the stresses they experience.

dhw: How do you imagine all the different survival strategies of ants and bees originated? [...]

DHW: ..my point is that it takes intelligence to solve problems and invent new strategies. So I can only repeat my earlier question: did your God preprogramme every ant and bee strategy 3.8 billion years ago, or did he come down and teach them every time there was a new threat? Or did they work things out for themselves and pass them on to succeeding generations, just as humans do?

TONY: I don't think that either David or myself have ever said that *everything* was preprogrammed.

DAVID: I have proposed that God could have pre-programmed all of evolution, or that He stepped in during the process and made adjustments, which I called dabbling. I've have never decided which one or both, but I feel God ran the entire process of evolution in some way.

DHW: ..they use their intelligence. Once a system or technique or strategy has proved successful, it will be passed on. In fact some studies show ants teaching other ants...some (bees) sacrifice themselves for the sake of the colony... I suggest they know what they’re doing.

TÓNY: In https://www.quora.com/Are-bees-and-ants-close-on-the-evolutionary-tree It breaks down a list of creatures bearing one similar feature, a narrow waist. An because of this narrow waist, they MUST be related. [...]
Bees are bees. Ants are ants. Wasps are wasp. However, it is worth noting the similarities and differences between the species, because the closer you look, the more you realize that ancestral evolution between these three species is not really possible because the evolution's would have to be bi-directional, both in terms of anatomical and behavioral "adaptions".

DHW I don’t know why you have changed the subject to evolution. We are talking about intelligence versus automaticity.

So am I. There are some behaviors that are shared by wasps and bees, some by ants and wasps, and some by bees and wasps. My point was thatthe directionality of the information transfer would preclude this happening by evolutionary means. This firstly implies inherrently different 'design'. Secondly, I am proposing a multistep methodology for comparing and contrasting these three different groups, Wasps, Ants, and Bees, to help determine which, if any, behaviors are pre-programmed genetically or otherwise. It could well be that some of that non-coding DNA actually helps by an organism by creating a on-demand information resource.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.