Natures wonders: ants and other insects farm II (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 00:37 (1648 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: Excellent. So you now agree that the bold may also apply to the evolution of species. Thank you.

DAVID: I simply view God as always watching and correcting courses if necessary.

dhw: That’s fine with me. You now accept that he could have set evolution in motion and left organisms simply to evolve, in contrast to their being specially designed.

I don't know how you extrapolated my comment to this idea of yours. Evolution is a huge venture, with some minor processes of advancement on remote control and under watch while others are more complex and require hands on involvement

DAVID: The fly trap is just part of the necessary econiches of life.

dhw: It is part of its particular econiche. All econiches are/were necessary for the life forms that depend/depended on them. I don’t know why you consider them all to have been necessary for the design of H. sapiens and his food.

DAVID: Where would his food come from if they didn't exist in large enough supply?

dhw: I am not referring just to “his” food. There were 3.X billion years of non-human life forms and their econiches, and you have no idea why they were necessary for the design of H. sapiens and his food supply.

Are you still denying that we evolved from 3.8 bya. You never change. Why can't God chose His methodology of producing humans?

Addendum: found an article today which I think illustrates God allowing some evolution of megafauna which occurred all over the world, but this is an isolated incident in ancient tropical Australia. I think God let them become extinct:

https://cosmosmagazine.com/palaeontology/unique-megafauna-fossils-unearthed-in-tropical...

"More than 40,000 years ago, Australia’s tropical northeast was home to species of giant birds, reptiles and marsupials, including the world’s largest kangaroo, standing 2.5 metres tall, a seven-metre-long freshwater crocodile and giant lizards.

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"It wasn’t the people who killed them off, according to meticulous analyses, but severe climatic conditions and environmental corrosion including loss of water flow, increased drying, fires and reduced grasslands.

“'We cannot place humans at this 40,000-year-old crime scene,” Hocknull says. “Therefore, we find no role for humans in the extinction of these species of megafauna.”

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"The fossils included leaves, seeds, pollen, insects and molluscs, providing evidence of a forest that housed megaherbivores, carnivorous reptiles and predators such as giant wombats (Diprotodon), a six-metre long monitor lizard (Megalania) and a marsupial “lion” (Thylacoleo).

"Hocknull is confident the colossal 274-kilogram kangaroo (from the genus Macropus sp.), the largest yet found that would make modern-day kangas look like toddlers, is a new species, but diagnostic pieces of skeleton such as teeth are missing to confirm.

"Despite its size and evidence of surviving a long-standing bone infection, the kangaroo was no match for one of the colossal crocodiles, bearing two puncture marks on its tibia that bear witness to its demise.

"As far as megafauna extinction, the timeframe coincided with persistent regional hydroclimatic and environmental deterioration. “Such a combination of factors proved fatal to the giant land and aquatic species,” says Hocknull."

Comment: At one point, not that long ago, megafauna were everywhere. Humans killed off most, but this is an example where God might have allowed this to happen. I assume God allowed these giants to appear, perhaps thought better of it, let humans do part of the job for Him, and took care of the rest. This is still tight control over evolution as God is constantly watching.