Natures wonders: killer penguins hunt in packs (Introduction)

by dhw, Friday, October 06, 2017, 13:38 (2603 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: The contortion is your own, because you have reverted to separating “we” from our “soul”. Otherwise you have simply repeated what I have said. If the soul survives the death of the brain, the soul is “we”.

DAVID: Of course the soul is we or me. For some reason you don't like the way I state it.

Thank you. I don’t like it when you say “we use our s/c” to interpret information, and “we control our thoughts through control over the s/c” – as if “we” are separate from our s/c. That is misleading if you believe that we ARE our soul/consciousness.

dhw: The brain provides the information, and “we”/the soul process/develop/interpret it, whether the soul is human or doggy. However, hidden in your statement are two important points:
1) “We differ from animals only by a very large degree.” Agreed. Degree, not kind.
2) “We are part of God’s consciousness.” In that case, since according to you the brain is NOT the source of consciousness, there is no reason to assume that the consciousness of bacteria is not also part of your God’s consciousness. They gather their information by brainless means, but the processing is done by their God-given soul. If, however, materialists are right and there is no such thing as a soul, bacterial processing and our own are both done chemically. In both cases, there is consciousness (as you have now agreed), and humans differ from all other life forms only by a very large degree.

DAVID: If I am correct that God is the consciousness of the universe, it pervades everything and every living organism. However use of that consciousness is limited. Bacteria can't. Humans can. That is where we differ.

According to you, humans can and doggies can and any organism with a brain can. The only difference is one of degree. But you have agreed that bacteria are conscious (= aware of what is outside and inside themselves). So what do you think is the point of them being conscious if they can’t use their consciousness and have to rely on God’s preprogramming or direct dabbling to provide all the solutions to all their problems?