Natures wonders: how plants became carnivores (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, February 11, 2017, 01:47 (2841 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You are the supreme evader. Your 'cell autonomous intelligence', designed by God, is still design. We still have only chance or design as operative in advancing evolutionary complexity, even if you especially designate it as under organismal control to start with!

dhw: Of course it’s still design! That is the whole point: I have offered you an alternative design theory to your preprogramming and dabbling, and you have accepted it on condition that God designed the mechanism and approved of its products.

dhw: In this theistic scenario, the third choice is not between chance and design but between preprogramming/dabbling and the autonomous mechanism designed by your God and autonomously producing innovations, lifestyles and wonders of which he approves. So do please tell me whether you think the carnivorous plants and frogs’ tongues were preprogrammed, dabbled, or produced by the autonomous cellular intelligence which your God designed in the first place.

You continue to talk around my challenge! Note my comment before yours:

DAVID: I've always granted that pre-programming or dabbling were the viable options for God to control evolution. You have introduced nothing that resembles a third choice!

Your theistic scenario is just fine, but my question is: we see the causes of the universe and humans as either chance or design. I want a third choice from you other than those two. All you have offered is a theistic possibility of an organismal intelligence advancing evolution. Fine. If chance did not design the organisms and their intelligent design abilities, what did? I reject chance. Life is obviously too complex to pop up by chance. I offer God, accepting pre-programming or dabbling, and I will accept your possibility the organisms are programmed o do some inventing, corrected by God as necessary. Now, is there a third agent at work to produce our reality? To me it is obvious agency, not chance, is required.