Natures wonders: how plants sense temperature II (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, April 05, 2020, 21:10 (1691 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Sunday, April 05, 2020, 21:15

The previous partial entry is incomplete. Why it is exists is some sort of mistake of mine

DAVID: Much of biological controls are feedback loops in animals but this look very different in plants if large complex molecules can exert precise controls. Having such specific molecules requires design and a designer.

dhw: I always accept your arguments for design, but you have given us only two possible methods of design. One is a programme your God created 3.8 billion years ago, to be passed on by the first cells to all their descendants, containing instructions for every single life form, econiche, lifestyle, strategy, bacterial response and natural wonder for the whole of life’s history. The other is direct dabbling, i.e. direct creation. Which of these do you think he used for temperature sensing, or can you perhaps think of a different method of design?

Good question: is there any other way for a designer to run evolution? Of course my initial simplistic answer was preprogramming, which assumes God has the full capability to write a software that goes from the start of life with bacteria to human, and never steps in. The many patterns of development I've described in the past, would suggest this is a plausible scenario.

That thought swallows religions view of God as totally all powerful, and that judgement is pure faith. We cannot know if God has some limits in His ability to set up everything in advance. Adler is quite powerful in his argument that human are so special, they are the obvious choice for God's eventual purpose. But remember we cannot be sure of God's reasoning for making that final choice or his reasons for evolving all of His creations, instead of simple direct creation of the universe, the Milky Way, the Earth, early life and finally humans, as like six Bible days. (Note the Jewish biblical scholars say the Bible meant six eons).

The second stated method for God is hands-on direct creation of all stages, a form of constant dabbling. On the other hand if the alternative method of preprogramming is not fully able to accomplish the desired the exact stages of evolution, then intermittent dabbling can be His method. A fully purposeful God with exact goals in mind will not allow any other approach, such as the dhw suggestion of giving the organisms means of evolving. That means God gives up some/ or in large part directional control of evolution. Remembering we are trying to imagine who God is, conclusions must depend in large part upon how one imagines His personality is, how much strength of purpose He has, etc. after evaluating who God is from what we observe He has done. My conclusion is the evidence supports a God who is extremely purposeful.

Our current level of untangling all the nuances and layers of the genome shows it is much more complicated than simply DNA coding proteins. We currently cannot find any way the genome is coded to speciate. It might be found, but seems very unlikely to me, with no hints in sight. Which brings me to a current conclusion, mentioned over and over: God does all new speciation Himself, and preprogramming is, therefore, very limited as a technique.