Natures wonders: making spider silk (Introduction)

by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Wednesday, August 27, 2014, 02:29 (1846 days ago) @ dhw

DHW: My hypothesis is only concerned with how. ... So let me ask you, as I have asked David, whether you think your God preplanned every single innovation and “wonder” right from the beginning, or created each one separately as he went along. .... You are absolutely right that we cannot reproduce or understand this mechanism, but that is beside the point. If your God exists, he is clearly capable of making it. Would you then grant the possibility that your God created this inventive mechanism, which would explain innovation, the Cambrian, and the vast variety of species that have come and gone?

The answer to your question was in my previous post:

TONY: Did God create them as adaptive creatures, I certainly think so, but I think that he did so with constraints to prevent them from straying too far beyond their pre-defined range. Hence the reason we don't have a plethora of new creatures popping up every time we turn around....

Remember that a lot of what we call different species are actually varieties of the same "type" or "kind" of creatures. A dog is a dog is a dog, even though there are hundreds of "species" of dog.


Once an organism is successful, there is no need for it to change. However, in the course of evolution obviously some have changed, which is why it's important to include what the environment allows as well as what it demands.

Yes, there have been some changes, but the extent of those changes is largely speculation considering that the vast majority of "species" remain largely UNCHANGED since the Cambrian.

DHW: My point here is that an inventive mechanism can experiment. Single-celled organisms have always been successful, but at some time in the past, some of them must have combined to create multi-cellularity.

Do you have evidence of experimentation? (i.e. Failed experiments? You know, the same ones missing from the fossil record that mainstream evolutionist say should exist.)

DHW: Whenever conditions changed (e.g. in the Cambrian), the opportunity as well as the necessity arose for some cell communities within existing organs to innovate: invention through an internal mechanism responding to outside circumstances.

Innovation is different in kind than invention. One builds upon what already exists, the other creates something new from wholecloth.

Once more, we know that cell communities have formed all the organs, and for those of us who believe evolution happened, that means billions of generations of cell communities have built on the acquired knowledge of earlier generations to come up with increasingly complex combinations. Hence the variety.

If you assume a designer, then the jump to multi-celularity does not require some tricksy magic that we have never witnessed in repeated experiments. That is not to say the possibility is not worth examining and experimenting to determine if it happened, but rather, multi-cellular organisms from single celled organisms has never been observed. So you are assuming that it happened without evidence. Your own brand of faith.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.


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