Natures wonders: making spider silk (Introduction)

by dhw, Friday, August 08, 2014, 19:36 (1438 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: Fair enough, but it seems your criterion for belief is what you can imagine. So can you in all honesty imagine your “pure energy” God preprogramming the very first cells with plans for eyes, kidneys, livers, lungs, spider silk, ant rafts and all the rest of Nature's Wonders - every plan to be passed down through the billions of years and zillions of organisms, and to be carried out automatically when the time was right? Alternatively, can you imagine your God fiddling around with zillions of individual organisms to endow them with these different mechanisms?

DAVID: As I have stated over and over, I don't know which of the two concepts of God is true.

You seem determined to restrict the choice to these two. But since you rejected my cell hypothesis on the grounds that you couldn't imagine it, my question was whether you could actually imagine either of these alternatives.

DAVID: As I have shown in the Nstures wonders topic life evolved some amazing life styles, so one conclusion is that evolving life is very inventive, and seemingly much more so than chance should allow.

“Evolving life” is not inventive. There is no “life” without living organisms, and no living organisms that are not composed of cells. So what is inventive? Once again, if we agree that chance could not produce these inventions, we are left with your preprogramming of the cells or your Creationism (see under “Cell Memories”), both of which require an imagination beyond my range and, I suspect, beyond yours too. So just for the hell of it, let's do the imagination test. Can you or can you not imagine your God creating a mechanism capable of reproducing itself, changing its form, and communicating and combining with its fellows to produce an almost infinite variety of forms, while he himself sits back and watches all the weird and wonderful and unpredictable results of his ingenuity?

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