Natures wonders: bacteria can spear amoebas (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Friday, August 25, 2017, 19:12 (915 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: ALL living things “appear designed”, and you keep telling us that your God did ALL the designing, even though there was only one thing he really wanted to design! What “cause” have you picked? That your God wanted to produce the human brain and therefore he designed a few billion other organisms, lifestyles and natural wonders until he was able to do it, though being all-powerful he could do anything. Non sequiturs ad absurdum.

DAVID: We don't know that the only thing God wanted was our brain. I point that out as His goal, but you seize it as the only thing on His mind.

dhw: At long, long last you are conceding that the human brain was NOT God’s one and only purpose and everything else was related to that. (See my post under “a beetle fools ants”.)

I still look at our brain as a primary goal, and lots of what happened supports that. He obviously wanted to create an amazing bush of life along the way. I've really not conceded the major point. Read again whaat I have written.

DAVID: We know of changes that did not enhance survival but complicated it, the whales.

dhw: You are assuming that there was no reason for pre-whales to enter the water. I have suggested that maybe they did so because there was more food for them in the water. Why do you think your God fiddled with them and then made them enter the water?

God may have allowed them to enter the water by modifying their bodies. Polar bears live in the water and eat there, but they have not been modified. We see two different examples of following the food. I still don't understand whales.

DAVID: And as for consciousness, an inorganic universe cannot invent consciousness. That is a pipe dream.

dhw: It is one of “three equally problematical options”. A conscious being that is simply “there” and has always been there, knows everything, had no origin, can create a universe and living organisms...Some folk would say that is a pipe dream.

I know but that is the only logical answer.

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