Natures wonders: making spider silk (Introduction)

by dhw, Thursday, August 28, 2014, 11:38 (1818 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw; Which of these seems most likely to you: 1) Your God planted instructions in the very first cells to make spiders and for spiders to make silk billions of years later? 2) Your God dabbled to make spiders and spider silk? 3) The inventive mechanism that your God put there in the beginning came up with the spider and the spider's silk on its own initiative (no preprogramming, no dabbling) from within other earlier organisms?
DAVID: I've admitted I don't know and no one knows. All three are possible, butI'm inclined to favor 3.

I agree that no one knows. Thank you for answering the question directly.

dhw: I am trying to find a logical explanation for the innovations that have led from bacteria to humans. A few days ago, you acknowledged that you had serious doubts about all the innovations and wonders being preplanned from the beginning, and also about your God dabbling. That leaves us with an inventive mechanism within the cells, of which all organisms are made.
DAVID: To me the logical explanation is guidance by God. I just don't know which mechanism, we have been discussing, he used, and I am sure He infused life with intelligent information to work with.

If you favour the hypothesis that God endowed the first living cells with a mechanism capable of inventing new organs and modes of behaviour, then the creation of that mechanism is all that is required to explain evolution. Your vague references to “general directionality”, “implicit instruction”, “intelligent information guidelines” (previous post), “guidance by God”, “infused life with intelligent information” (above) boil down to preprogramming and run counter to inventiveness. Either the inventive mechanism is inventive or it is not.

DAVID: And to repeat once again, the cells alone cannot make any changes in phenoptype. The entire organism has to follow informational plans, which may well be in an inventive mechanism, yet to be discovered.

And to repeat once again, the entire organism consists of cells, and if changes are to be successful, all the cell communities within the organism must cooperate. And if the undiscovered mechanism that is contained within the cells/cell communities is inventive, the plans are not “in” it but are made by it.


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