Natures wonders: ants and other insects farm (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, May 24, 2020, 18:47 (1642 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The reason I always reject your God theory is the level of personality that I see for God.

dhw: I offer several levels because I do not have one “God theory”. You reject all my alternatives – including that of an all-powerful God who deliberately gives free rein to evolution – because you wish to stick rigidly to your one theory, despite the fact that you have no idea why your God’s all-powerful and all-controlling personality would lead him to pursue his one purpose by not pursuing his one purpose (designing us) before inexplicably pursuing other purposes (designing millions of non-human life forms, econiches, natural wonders etc.)

This is your same inconsistent objection, ignoring the fact that God can chose what He wishes to do and he chose to evolve, because that follows history. i don't have to know His reasons, if I can find purpose, which I have with Adler. As with the bees attack on leaves, you have a marked predisposition to minimize the gap in mentation between any lesser animal and humans, always making us look less special. Review your bias.

dhw: a) since we can’t know God’s thoughts, there can be no such judgement as “God-lite”, b) he has just as much right to create a self-directing form of evolution as one that he preprogrammes or dabbles, and c) your insistence that he is all-powerful and in control of everything is no less “humanizing” that any of my alternatives, all of which allow for one or other of your basic premises, whereas neither of us can find a logical way of COMBINING them.

DAVID: I am judging your thoughts as God-lite as you create above a very humanized version of the God I see.

dhw: You have not answered any of my points.

It all depends on how you judge God's personality. We are widely different and I doubt the gulf can be crossed, because you are definitely predisposed to minimize the mental difference we have. I am fully logical from my view of God and see how carefully He has evolved all of reality while you dwell just on life's evolution..