Natures wonders: how plants became carnivores (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, February 12, 2017, 16:06 (2839 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Whatever the first cause is, humans are here. Principle: God guided evolution to produce humans. Under that umbrella, all of your above thoughts are possible. We've settled it.

dhw: Sorry, but far from settled. Our starting point on this thread was carnivorous plants and frogs’ tongues, and I really cannot understand why your God would specially design such things in order to keep life going so that humans could arrive. They seem to me to be ideal examples of how your God’s autonomous inventive mechanism would carry on producing wonder after wonder without his interference and without any link to the production of humans. This would give us a clear explanation for the higgledy-piggledy history of evolution, and you can still have your God stepping in to produce humans. So for the fourth time, would you not agree that these two examples are far more likely to be the product of the cell communities’ God-given autonomous intelligence (the possible existence of which you have agreed to) than the product of his 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme or his direct dabbling?

I don't accept your cell communities theory in any way, but I have agreed that God could have given organisms an inventive mechanism, evidence for which has not been found so far. Chance or design are the only ways evolution advances. You are still pushing your concept of 'designer-lite'. Remember that is God. Why not accept it?