Natures wonders: ant rafts and towers (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 16:37 (1080 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Re-read the article. Each ant does what it can do under the circumstances automatically.

dhw: That is what I am (partly) disputing! The question is how such astonishing architectural feats originated, and I suggest that the source was the intelligence of ant communities and not a divine 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme or God giving ants private lessons. Once the pattern has been established, it may well be that there is a degree of automaticity in the work, although their collective intelligence will still need to make decisions according to the circumstances of the moment. Factory workers (before automation) would have done the same, but would have had to use their intelligence if things went wrong.

dhw: I accept that in many cases cells operate automatically following instructions they have been given, but I am suggesting that those instructions come from the (possibly God-given) intelligence of the cell communities themselves - just like the instructions for raft and tower-building coming from the intelligence of the ant community - and not from a divine 3.8 billion-year-old computer programme for every natural wonder in the history of life, or from your God giving private lessons.

DAVID: You have again repeated what the study does not say about towers and rafts. Which is why I noted that their nests are instinctual (in contrast) and you note possibly God instructed.

dhw: I am (partly) disagreeing with the authors’ interpretation, and I didn’t/don’t know why you mentioned nests. Ants’ nests can be astonishingly complex, and once again I see them as manifestations of ant intelligence, not as part of your God’s great plan to produce human beings by preprogramming or dabbling ants’ nests.

Ah, now you do what I do, re-interpret the results of studies. But I do it when the conclusions of the authors taken from the data appear to differ from what the data might mean. The authors here presented very specific observations of ant participation in the construction of the structures. You are presenting an unproven back story in which God did not have to give any instructions according to the authors. Don't you see your overreach?

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