Free Will: Egnor shows neurological proof - PART ONE (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, December 26, 2020, 23:21 (1428 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: How can the brain give the soul a false analysis when it is the soul that does the analysing? All this confusion arises out of your refusal to accept the different FUNCTIONS of the dualist’s brain and the dualist’s soul!

The soul can analyze only as it uses the brain's networks. If the networks are acting with sickness, the analyze will be skewed and wrong.

dhw: Our discussion started because you and Egnor try to make out that seizures are evidence against materialism. But the psychopath and the epileptic and the drug addict and the drunkard all demonstrate how thought is affected by changes to the brain, and your example of the psychopath’s diseased brain being unable to form a correct judgement is a vivid illustration of materialism and determinism, not of dualism and free will.

DAVID: The bold is where your logic falls apart as you miss-analyze it. The psychopath is trapped at having to try to form thought forced to use a sick brain. The sick brain does not permit him the ability to form normal thought. Egnor and I believe we think using our brain. But a normal brain must be present to form normal thinking. A sick brain results in sick thought as the soul attempts to create it. The brain is just a tool for the soul, not an originator of any thought on its own. Pure dualism, no smidgen of materialism. What is your problem with this?

dhw: No problem, and I do wish you would stick to the bold, but you won’t and don’t. Over and over again, you have the dualist’s brain thinking – the latest and prime example being that the psychopath’s diseased brain cannot form a correct judgement, as bolded. The dualist’s brain does not form judgements! That is the role of the soul, regardless of the truth or falsity of information provided by the brain.

Let's try to have you understand my view: I am my soul living essence. I am myself, and I reach them in my mind. Therefore the only way a thought can appear is if I think. I can only do that by using my brain and activating its networks. My brain cannot make thoughts on its own. My soul living essence has to use eth brain as its tool to create any thought. Non-functioning brain, no thought possible during life. Changed brain function by chemicals, by brain damage, or by lacking proper functioning circuits for the development of a conscience will all result in improper thought development. Summary: The brain is my tool to create thought. My sick brain will result in me having sick thoughts that I do not want to have, but I won 't realize it in severe cases of sick brain (psychopath)

dhw: So long as you continue to insist that the sick brain provides incorrect analyses and judgements, you are supporting materialism and determinism.

There is nothing in my above discussion to support that conclusion. No one can think normally with a sick brain, one not functioning normally. The brain is our tool for thought. Broke tool, broke thought. I don't know why you are so confused. It must be previous wrong impressions you can't shake.