A Sense of Free Will: the consciousness quagmire (Introduction)

by romansh , Tuesday, September 01, 2015, 13:43 (3153 days ago) @ David Turell

Romansh: And yet you continually dredge up consciousness as your prime exhibit for free will? 
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> My view is I have consciousness which allows me to think and plan purposefully. Thus I have free will.-Could you not think and plan purposefully without consciousness? 
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> > Romansh: Even if consciousness actually exists in the form you seem to be proposing (something ethereal as far as I can make out) then that too will respond to cause and effect, will it not? So our consciousness is not free in this sense. Probabilistic at best.
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> Why are you equating free will and consciousness? Free will is a result of consciousness, not equal to it.
>-Because you keep bringing it up ... it is your definition of free will that has consciousness in it. Not mine.- 
> > Romansh: Have to go to work now ... have a nice day.
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> I've had a very productive day, thank you. Now for the shower and supper. By the way can you describe what you think free will is, if you think it exists. Real, an illusion?-one more time ....
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