A Sense of Free Will: the consciousness quagmire (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, September 19, 2015, 01:15 (3136 days ago) @ romansh

David: I think we are making progress. The determinism you refer to is in the aspects of physical chemistry that govern the reactions of molecules in my cells. 
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> Romansh: This statement is incomplete David.-I disagree, of course. My neurons are used at my command to create whatever it is I wish.
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> > ... they are endowed with the ability to provide independent thought, the storage of useful information, and the ability to collate all of those mental processes into determinative actions which are under my self control.
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> Romansh: Independent thought? I question this assertion. Are not your thoughts shaped by your receiver? If so how can they be independent? -On the contrary, I used my mind to create my thoughts, as supplied by my brain. The receiver issue is a notion to explain NDE's.
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> > David: The brain can also provide new neurons and axon/dendrite/synapses to allow my brain to grow new knowledge, motor abilities, and memories. The underlying processes of electric transmission and synapse modifications are all to the purpose of allowing me the independence of thought and action that I have.
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> Romansh: Another assertion my friend.-Which I stand by.
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> > David: The deterministic operations of the physical chemistry of my neurons allows all of this and does not imply any control over my independent mental state.-> Romansh: It is not just physical chemistry ... a convenient classification in the education in science. It is all cause and effect ... which is the bailiwick of science.-I still maintain all cause and effect is in the purposeful function of the neurons, which I control.
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> > David: The ball is in your court.-> Romansh: Actually I think you swiped at the ball and missed it completely. The ball is in the fencing behind you. -No, you didn't realize we are playing doubles and my partner dhw returned it to your court.