A Sense of Free Will: the consciousness quagmire (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, September 02, 2015, 14:20 (3370 days ago) @ romansh

David: With the constraints you impose I can understand your viewpoint. I think it is a rather tortured approach ... 
> Romansh: Well personally I thought this was perhaps overly simplistic rather than tortured. It is simply the result of someone who believes in cause and effect. No more no less.-I believe in cause and effect also, but feel the development of the biomechanics of the human body requires certain compromises when compared to direct material machinery, i.e., your example of eye movements. A necessary adjustment which allows us a perfect view of stationary reality.
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> > David: I'm just not inclined to dig in that deeply. Why? Well, my training is as a bio-mechanic, working with humans as biologic machines, interfering with them by the use of chemicals, etc. It is difficult to leave that mindset.
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> Romansh: Again this is not very deep ... simply a result of cause and effect. But in a sense you are right. Our biases and past mind sets do win. Having said that I can't see how having training in biomechanics etc is incompatible with cause and effect and a lack of free will.-I simply disagree with your interpretation of cause and effect when the senses we have are at times two or three times removed in offering us the correct interpretation of reality. we are both rationally communicating with each other, but the processes underlying that communication are highly complex.-On the other hand, of course we are made of inorganic stardust which became alive.