Free Will: Egnor shows neurological proof - PART ONE (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, December 21, 2020, 15:48 (1433 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The soul cannot know the information or thought is false if it is forced to think with brain circuits as I demand in my approach. To repeat, I/self/soul can only think with the brain I am given to use.

dhw: Once again you muddy the waters by refusing to acknowledge what the soul uses the brain for. The soul thinks with brain circuits, whether the brain is sick or not. See above for what it uses the brain circuits for. If it recognizes false information when the brain is not sick, it should still do so when the brain is sick.

A repeat of your total muddle. Correct in bold. By after that, In my view, taken from life's experience, the soul must use the brains' networks to form an thought. Sick networks can only create sick thinking. A psychopath's soul doesn't know it is psychopathic.

DAVID: My self (soul) is completely attached to my brain and must use my brain circuits to form thought. Thus sick brain, sick thoughts.

dhw: And again you gloss over what the soul uses the brain for. Sick brain, sick thoughts = materialism.

Total misunderstanding. My theory is pure dualism. Repeat: my soul can only think by using brain networks to actually form any thought. If the networks are sick the thoughts will be distorted and the soul cannot recognize it because it uses those same circuits for all of its observations. You separate the soul by saying it can stand aside and observe that the brain is sick. Ask the psychopath!!! The soul is me, myself, a living soul. That essence of me according to NDE's may well be immortal. The brain I am given is the one I must use for thinking.

Brain mental capacity
dhw: …you have labelled this thread “Brain mental capacity”, and the child’s ability to work out the solutions to complex immaterial maths problems surely belongs to the kind of abstract reasoning you and Egnor are so keen to attribute to the soul. If the ability to solve such problems depends on the brain, what function does the soul perform in the activity? […] Is it the dualist’s brain or the soul that solves the equations?

DAVID: Same wrong approach. My dualism is that I/myself/soul must use the brain's circuits to solve equations. The brain can never solve the equations all by itself. You previously conceived form of dualism is never mine. We totally differ. The gulf is enormous

dhw: It is only enormous because you continually gloss over the question of what the dualist’s soul uses the brain for.

It must use the circuits to form any thought, and if the brain is sick the thoughts will be sick..

dhw: Taking this example: the brain provides the soul with the mathematical problem (= the information) presented to it. The soul analyses the information and then instructs the brain to use the voice in order to tell everyone the answer it has worked out. Remember your own words: “The soul is the analyzer, the brain its tool.” Yes or no?

Not yes or no. See above. The soul forms analytic thought using the brain networks to create that analysis. The child's amazing networks allowed that degree of solution.