dhw: big brain evolution:comparing chimp and brain organoids (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, April 19, 2019, 10:25 (36 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: If organisms have the free ability to evolve whatever they wants, who knows what mighjt have developed and how could have any purposeful result? Evolution with purpose means evolving towatds a living goal of a speficic organism.

dhw: Over and over again you hammer home the idea of purpose. Why does your concept of purpose stop at producing humans? When challenged, you yourself suggested that your God might enjoy watching his creations as a painter enjoys looking at his paintings, and his purpose in producing humans was to have us admire his work and to form a relationship with him. “Who knows what might develop?” is precisely the attraction of “free expression”. Which would you “enjoy” more (your term), a totally predictable spectacle, or one filled with unexpected delights? But we still have the option of dabbling. What we do not have is the total illogicality of your God spending 3.5+ billion years not designing the only thing he wants to design.

DAVID: You are totally hung up over the issue of time and the timing of the appearance of humans.

You raised the subject of purpose, and in my reply I have focused exclusively on PURPOSE, not time. (The reference to 3.5+ billion years has nothing to do with the illogicality of your hypotheses.) You have ignored the whole of my post. I shan’t repeat the rest of your comment, except to say time is NOT the issue and doesn’t bug me at all. What bugs me, as you know perfectly well, is your insistence that your God’s sole purpose was to specially design H. sapiens, and you cannot explain why he specially designed millions of other life forms before specially designing H. sapiens.

DAVID: All of what you describe in the bush obviously is something God knew He had to produce in advance of humans. I fully understand what happened and God and I are fully logical in my construct. You simply do not understand or are confused. I never have been.

Friday 28 February at 16.05:
DAVID: Haven't you realized by now, I have no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time.

I’m sorry, but if you have no idea why your God might have chosen your interpretation of his method in order to achieve your interpretation of his goal, I don’t know how you can claim to “fully understand” what happened, and I would still suggest that your incomprehension may indicate that one or both of your interpretations may be flawed.


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