dhw:Big brain evolution: comparing chimp and brain organoids (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, March 06, 2019, 18:38 (2087 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: My problem is I do not see 'logical flaws'. We have covered all the possible reasons God used an evolutionary process. I've agreed all of our reasoning is logical, but I've made as choice in what I believe is the most likely, which is God's goal was human beings and am happy to accept it as part of my belief system. I fully understand your position tah t you cannot make a choice.

dhw: Your belief that our brain was your God’s one and only goal from the very beginning is not the ‘logical flaw’! The logical flaw is in the combination of your fixed beliefs: 1) that this was his one and only goal, 2) he is always in complete control, and yet 3) he spent 3.5+ billion years specially designing millions of other life forms, econiches, lifestyles and natural wonders and indeed anything but the only thing he wanted to design. This is what you keep admitting you cannot explain, i.e. it is illogical. Therefore at least one of those three hypotheses is likely to be wrong, i.e. we were not his only goal, he was not in complete control, or he did not specially design every other life form etc.

It is not illogical. If God is in control, He has the absolute right to chose his method of creation. And I have the logical right to accept that conclusion. I certainly agree with you that we both have the right to discuss why He might have made that decision, but we have never come up with anything other than unproven theories, because that is all we can accomplish. It is your confusion About God's right to chose a method that is on exhibition. I believe He is in full control. You are the one who is not sure of that because you don't accept God's powers, and I know that.

DAVID: Why are all the advances startling? Startling results should have startling causes or cause. All of these advances require design and therefore a designer. Why does your thought pattern stop at startling?

dhw: I am replying to your statement that “humans are an unexpected startling result”. Why does your thought pattern stop at humans? If all life forms evolved from single cells, don’t you find dinosaurs, elephants and whales startling? If you do, why do you think your God specially designed them if his sole purpose was to specially design startling humans? Your only answer so far has been because he chose to spend 3.5+ billion years designing anything but the only thing he wanted to design, and we shouldn’t ask why.

DAVID: But we have 'asked why' He chose this method and found many different possible answers. I agree with you, all of life's evolutionary history is startling, but I view humans as the most startling and therefore most special in the mental way they left all others way behind. Pure Adler.

dhw: I am not questioning the startling supremacy of our mental capacities. I am questioning the illogical and to you inexplicable combination of your fixed beliefs as described in the hypotheses listed above.

Fully answered above.