dhw:Big brain evolution: comparing chimp and brain organoids (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 10:59 (160 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: […] my guess explains why your in-full-control God created a bush instead of – as in your guess – the only thing he wanted to create, the brain of H. sapiens. And now your only reply is:

DAVID: It doesn't fit your human logic. So?

dhw: And it doesn’t fit your human logic either. So why do you assume that your God would act in ways you believe to be illogical when there are other explanations of his actions which you accept as perfectly logical?

DAVID: Don't transpose your style of human reasoning to me. I have never said His choice of using evolution to create was illogical. What I admit is I have no way of knowing why He made that choice and you and I have discussed all the possibilities thoroughly, but none are provable.

You have said your hypothesis doesn’t fit my human logic. You have also said you have no idea why your always-in-full-control God would have chosen to spend billions of years specially designing millions of life forms to eat or not eat one another until he specifically designed the only thing he wanted to design. The fact that no hypothesis is provable is not the point. If you can’t find a logical explanation, may I suggest that your hypothesis doesn’t fit your human logic either?

DAVID: […] I do not, and cannot, know. It is logically explained to those of us who have accepted God that He is in charge and has the right to choose a method. You have agreed to that in the past.

dhw: I agree 100% that if he exists he is in charge and has the right to choose a method, and I agree 100% that neither you nor I can know the objective truth. That is no reason for rejecting my logical hypotheses and trying to justify your own illogical hypotheses on the grounds that I am only human. Aren’t you human too?

DAVID: Nothing I have written in this post is illogical. You are puzzled as to why God waited instead of early direct creation of everything in life that is present now. You've admitted He has the right to wait and use evolution.

We are not talking about God’s rights but about an interpretation of your God’s purpose and method for which even you cannot find a logical explanation. I am therefore suggesting that your explanation has less chance of being right than others which even you agree are logical.

DAVID: Humans are currently the most complex of all created. It is easy to read what has been created as God's purpose. Otherwise why create any specific item?

Your question is right to the point. According to you, he specially created millions and millions of specific items, so if the human brain was his only purpose, why specially create specific items such as dinosaurs, whale flippers, cuttlefish camouflage and weaverbirds’ nests?

DAVID: Frankly, it is difficult to visualize anything more complex than our brains. Yes, they could evolve to being more complex. And I've admitted you have the right to your own hypotheses which are no more logical than mine. The difference is I put more weight on certain aspects of the factors/considerations than you do.

As usual, you now pick on part of just one of the three hypotheses, in this case the superiority of the human brain, which of course I accept. And if this was his one and only purpose, I have offered you a logical explanation for the delay (experimentation). What is not logical is the combination of your three hypotheses: God always in control, God with one purpose (H. sapiens’ brain), God specially designing anything but H. sapiens brain until 300,000 years ago. Please stop separating your three hypotheses – it is the combination that you cannot explain, because it is the combination that is illogical.


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