dhw:Big brain evolution: comparing chimp and brain organoids (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, February 28, 2019, 16:05 (2093 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You want the explanation. I don't need it since it was God's choice of action.

dhw: You can’t explain why your God would have chosen to spend 3.5+ billion years not designing the only thing he wanted to design. You accept the logic behind different interpretations of the facts as we know them, but you happen to know they are all wrong because your inexplicable hypothesis is right.

We have covered all the possible reasons why God chose to evolve human life over 3.5 billion years. A conclusion is not possible. I simply accept the history and quit wondering.

DAVID: The only way to solve the problem you have created as to why God used 3.5 billion years to create humans is ask God and He is not talking. Your human logic fights with the history of God's actions.

dhw: You have created the problem! You have accepted the logic of four different interpretations of your God’s actions, but you insist on the combination of hypotheses which you cannot explain!

DAVID: I've explained how God covered the gap in time with econiche food supply. His choice of a gap in time in His choice. We can debate why He made that choice, but we'll not come up with a definite answer, only your other hypothesis which in their own way are logical possibilities.

dhw: As above. My hypotheses make perfect sense, yours is inexplicable, but you know yours is right.

Inexplicable only to you because you don't like the pattern of history..

dhw: The “logical” thoughts I have offered you are all theistic. But I am satisfied with your earlier acknowledgements that you can't explain why your God chose to spend 3.5+ years not fulfilling his only purpose, and that all my alternative theistic explanations are logical and possible. I do not ask you to believe in any of them.

DAVID: I am satisfied also. Within your frame of reference I recognize your thoughts are theistic and logical possibilities.

dhw: Thank you. My frame of reference is exactly the same as yours: we agree that life exists, there have been countless econiches, lifestyles, natural wonders and life forms extant and extinct, of which humans are the latest, and there may be a God who created life.

DAVID: And I would add, once life was started, God guided all the rest which has happened as you described.

dhw: That is not a frame of reference but an interpretation of all the above and the focus of our discussion. Must I really repeat all the alternative theistic hypotheses which you have accepted as logical?

DAVID: No, I'll stick to God in control.

dhw: Fine, although on other occasions you are not so sure that he is in control since his powers may be limited. Anyway, control fits in neatly with the hypothesis that God’s purpose from the beginning was NOT solely to produce the brain of H. sapiens but to produce countless econiches, lifestyles, natural wonders and life forms extant and extinct which have nothing to do with our brain but which he could enjoy as a painter enjoys watching his own paintings, to use the analogy which you are sure is correct.

Haven't you realized by now, I have no idea why God chose to evolve humans over time. I've politely offered some logical possibilities at your urging to delve into it, but practically we both know the truth of God's thoughts will remain hidden. I accept the pattern of history as God's choice.